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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
October 14 2012 23:15 GMT
#4361
On October 15 2012 07:12 canikizu wrote:
Moreover, you can dissemble mjollnir and go AC faster.

Wat? It's a recipe item. Pretty sure you can't disassemble it.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 14 2012 23:17 GMT
#4362
On October 15 2012 08:15 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 07:12 canikizu wrote:
Moreover, you can dissemble mjollnir and go AC faster.

Wat? It's a recipe item. Pretty sure you can't disassemble it.


You can, but it just goes back to maelstrom so it's practically useless.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 23:18:02
October 14 2012 23:17 GMT
#4363
Mjollnir actually can be disassembled.

Somtimes lone druids will disassemble a mjollnir and turn it into a ac.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 14 2012 23:38 GMT
#4364
On October 15 2012 08:17 PassiveAce wrote:
Mjollnir actually can be disassembled.

Somtimes lone druids will disassemble a mjollnir and turn it into a ac.

It's more reasonable on LD (since the bear can't use the active anyway)--though personally I'm with Zhou and Burning on this one and I think the Mjollnir bear build is actually terrible.

On Alch though, a large part of it's combat usefulness is the active.
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YunhOLee
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Canada2470 Posts
October 14 2012 23:44 GMT
#4365
blink vs backstab on riki, which one do you max first and is it matchup (lane) dependent? or we always max blink or always max backstab first?
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
October 14 2012 23:49 GMT
#4366
I think of it this way. Backstab = max dps. Blink = survivability (since it lowers cd) - Most cases you need a slow or stun to aid you in killing someone pre-diffusal, if you want to be more self reliant blink is better, usually the case in pubs.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 01:39:50
October 15 2012 01:39 GMT
#4367
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
October 15 2012 03:05 GMT
#4368
Maelstrom's very cost efficient, mjollnir not so much. Given that you keep the hyperstone for cuirass, the only not static charge bonus is 40 extra damage per charged lightning proc, so 25% x 40 magical damage, or 10 magic damage per attack to a single target.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
October 15 2012 03:11 GMT
#4369
the active ability, and the extra attackspeed is pretty big as well
LazyFailKid
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada750 Posts
October 15 2012 03:24 GMT
#4370
Why do most invoker players never build BKB? Is force staff enough mobility in a fight? or is it just more situational?
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
October 15 2012 03:27 GMT
#4371
Most invokers usually go Wex, which means you run like a cheetah - that is your escape. For Exort even just force staff is enough survival, and then of course you have ghost walk when all else fails. Plus you really don't want to be the target of the opponent as Invoker, more in the back casting away in late game, and early-mid ganking away with your mobility + force.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8812 Posts
October 15 2012 04:08 GMT
#4372
Invoker doesnt build bkb early game maybe, but late game after aghanims and maybe a hex or something similar, you will see bkbs on invoker
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
October 15 2012 04:12 GMT
#4373
On October 12 2012 20:13 SnipedAgain wrote:
What are the best hard carries into lategame in 1v2-3 fights (assuming a reasonable gpm like 30-40mins in so 20000-30000 gold)?


Drow with bkb, buriza, butterfly and satanic (that should just abit more than 20000) can win a 1v3 right click battle easily.
Put quote here for readability
KwoM
Profile Joined October 2012
Singapore108 Posts
October 15 2012 05:27 GMT
#4374
On October 15 2012 06:58 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 06:52 KwoM wrote:
On October 15 2012 06:49 Firebolt145 wrote:
On October 15 2012 06:05 KwoM wrote:
On October 15 2012 06:02 Firebolt145 wrote:
3rd or 4th item manta, sure.

1st item manta? No.


No one is fucking talking about getting manta first can you fucking read some of the posts?

You're talking about how you need manta to defend the early pushes that come before the 3 item mark. That's a pretty early manta.

Also, get off your high horse.

I was saying vanguard is a good item to get because it increases your heroes capability allowing you to hold pushes and I said manta makes a good third item because of the utility it gives.

Listen, just stop arguing. EVERYBODY is disagreeing with you. You're making senseless arguments just like Shikyo. You're a new user here, let me show you what's gonna happen if you keep it up:

Show nested quote +
On October 06 2012 06:13 Shikyo wrote:
On October 06 2012 06:09 Yoshi- wrote:
I am sure that most don't know which spell magnus has in the second slot

Really? o.O Because when I play Magnus and level up the spell in the second slot I use the same hotkey I use to level every other spell in the second slot for every other hero ... So you kind of will know.

Unless you use legacy hotkeys, I got rid of those as soon as I figured out how to change them but even so I'd imagine you know the slots, especially if you click to level up... If you use legacy keys to level up as well it might be tougher

User was temp banned for this post.


I'm going to tell you one final thing if i get banned for proposing that manta is a good item and getting flamed for telling people my build i absolutely give up on this forums because in the past, this is the build people go to on alchemist in competitive play before and unlike whoever that guy is and i have no idea what he is saying.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
October 15 2012 06:44 GMT
#4375
that doesn't mean it's a good build, people used to go vanguard on enigma in comp games in the past as well
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8812 Posts
October 15 2012 06:45 GMT
#4376
For what its worth i also think manta is a good item on alchemist
its not your go to item in every game ,but it has its uses
i know xboct got it a lot when alche got played
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
October 15 2012 07:26 GMT
#4377
yeah it's not a bad item but that guy's reasoning makes no sense lol
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
October 15 2012 07:45 GMT
#4378
On October 15 2012 08:44 YunhOLee wrote:
blink vs backstab on riki, which one do you max first and is it matchup (lane) dependent? or we always max blink or always max backstab first?

If I go mid, I'll run bottle and max blink first for maximum harassment. If I go normal lane, maxing backstab first is better.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
October 15 2012 07:50 GMT
#4379
On October 15 2012 08:44 YunhOLee wrote:
blink vs backstab on riki, which one do you max first and is it matchup (lane) dependent? or we always max blink or always max backstab first?

Mid lane is always blink first. Side lane depends on your line up. If your lane partner or supports can hold down the opponents easily then go backstab, if you need more mobility to reach the enemy heroes then go blink.
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Dustytusk
Profile Joined September 2012
Finland45 Posts
October 15 2012 11:29 GMT
#4380
Ok i have 1 quick question.

When i have my beta key, where does the information (that i got the beta key) come? Like does it come to steam mails or???
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