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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
September 27 2012 06:16 GMT
#3961
familiars die in like two hits and they give a million gold
he's okay but takes way too much coordination to use properly
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 27 2012 08:05 GMT
#3962
Visage was so much fun when his Familiars were actually badass, now they're so disappointingly poop ._.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Kotoko
Profile Joined March 2012
Korea (South)43 Posts
September 27 2012 08:19 GMT
#3963
The dota2 familiars are nothing like dota 1 version..attack spd is a lot slower.
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
September 27 2012 08:34 GMT
#3964
On September 27 2012 14:57 sandyph wrote:
Depends, if you going for other Orb effect beside lifesteal (Deso/Skadi/etc) then Vlad is the only way to get lifesteal while also giving bonus damage, armor and mana regenration for your team.

and eventhough the illusions it self dont benefit from any of the aura, they do give the benefit to other units near the illusion. So if you ulti and send the illusion to 3 separate lane, all the lane will 'have a vlads' which will make pushing faster


Skadi stacks with lifesteal
Lifesteal isn't needed on most melee heroes
Vlads is slot inefficent
what it gives is inefficent for a selfish hero like CK (at least when you compare it to armlet/drums)
CKs ulti is on a too long of a cooldown to use it to split push lanes. That's a minor benefit at best.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
September 27 2012 08:48 GMT
#3965
On September 27 2012 17:34 LAN-f34r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 14:57 sandyph wrote:
Depends, if you going for other Orb effect beside lifesteal (Deso/Skadi/etc) then Vlad is the only way to get lifesteal while also giving bonus damage, armor and mana regenration for your team.

and eventhough the illusions it self dont benefit from any of the aura, they do give the benefit to other units near the illusion. So if you ulti and send the illusion to 3 separate lane, all the lane will 'have a vlads' which will make pushing faster


Skadi stacks with lifesteal
Lifesteal isn't needed on most melee heroes
Vlads is slot inefficent
what it gives is inefficent for a selfish hero like CK (at least when you compare it to armlet/drums)
CKs ulti is on a too long of a cooldown to use it to split push lanes. That's a minor benefit at best.

Skadi only stacks with lifesteal on ranged heroes.
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sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
September 27 2012 09:13 GMT
#3966
On September 27 2012 17:34 LAN-f34r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2012 14:57 sandyph wrote:
Depends, if you going for other Orb effect beside lifesteal (Deso/Skadi/etc) then Vlad is the only way to get lifesteal while also giving bonus damage, armor and mana regenration for your team.

and eventhough the illusions it self dont benefit from any of the aura, they do give the benefit to other units near the illusion. So if you ulti and send the illusion to 3 separate lane, all the lane will 'have a vlads' which will make pushing faster


Skadi stacks with lifesteal
Lifesteal isn't needed on most melee heroes
Vlads is slot inefficent
what it gives is inefficent for a selfish hero like CK (at least when you compare it to armlet/drums)
CKs ulti is on a too long of a cooldown to use it to split push lanes. That's a minor benefit at best.


Skadi only stack on ranged
its situational, though most CK would go HotD rather than Deso/Diffu/Skadi/Mael/Mjol
Its also cheaper for staying in the lane compared to Heart (especially if you're #2/#3)
and carrying the Vlads for your #1 will mean he have an extra slot for other items
a minor benefit true, but it's still a benefit

Put quote here for readability
kinsky
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany368 Posts
September 27 2012 09:39 GMT
#3967
hihi,
quick question guys:
at the start of the game, do you guys first produce a worker or
do you split them, send them to mine and THEN produce the first worker?
thx in advance.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
September 27 2012 09:44 GMT
#3968
On September 27 2012 18:39 kinsky wrote:
hihi,
quick question guys:
at the start of the game, do you guys first produce a worker or
do you split them, send them to mine and THEN produce the first worker?
thx in advance.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187808 that's the thread you're looking for, this one is dota2
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8812 Posts
September 27 2012 09:49 GMT
#3969
visage is very strong
who says hes weak? he was the most popular tri lane support for a while before the metagame changed

and kinsky wrong game but producing first is better
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
September 27 2012 11:14 GMT
#3970
Skadi does stack with lifesteal even on melee heroes, it's different in dota 2. http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Eye_of_Skadi

I tested it out personally and it does stack.
Bloodash
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands1384 Posts
September 27 2012 11:29 GMT
#3971
if rubick steals naga's ult and they both walk into eachother casting the ult, what happens? who sleeps who, are both ults canceled instantly?
I'll bite this hand that feeds me, and take it for my own!
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8812 Posts
September 27 2012 11:46 GMT
#3972
Havent tried it but id guess both of them go to sleep and their ulties would last their full duration
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
September 27 2012 11:51 GMT
#3973
On September 27 2012 20:29 Bloodash wrote:
if rubick steals naga's ult and they both walk into eachother casting the ult, what happens? who sleeps who, are both ults canceled instantly?


Doesn't Naga ult work like Epicenter, as in it will continue to go on even if Naga is disabled? I don't think there is a way to cancel it, or getting BKB on a hero with any disable would be an easy counter to it. With that in mind, but not actually testing anything, I would assume they both disable each other but both songs keep going.
infam
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany66 Posts
September 27 2012 14:04 GMT
#3974
On September 27 2012 20:29 Bloodash wrote:
if rubick steals naga's ult and they both walk into eachother casting the ult, what happens? who sleeps who, are both ults canceled instantly?

Once u activate it, it's like a buff, similar to epicenter after its channeled. So no disable can stop Naga ult. Would be interesting if u can purge it with SD or diffusal but i dont know if it works.
Bloodash
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands1384 Posts
September 27 2012 14:58 GMT
#3975
i see, thanks, purge would be hard I guess since its nearly impossible to get that close unless you bkb beforehand
I'll bite this hand that feeds me, and take it for my own!
cool_slowbro
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden97 Posts
September 27 2012 15:58 GMT
#3976
On September 27 2012 20:29 Bloodash wrote:
if rubick steals naga's ult and they both walk into eachother casting the ult, what happens? who sleeps who, are both ults canceled instantly?


Most likely sleep eachother for their respective durations.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 27 2012 17:34 GMT
#3977
On September 27 2012 18:49 evilfatsh1t wrote:
visage is very strong
who says hes weak? he was the most popular tri lane support for a while before the metagame changed

and kinsky wrong game but producing first is better

Wasn't metagame change more than the fact that they completely fucked Soul Assumption's mana cost.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8812 Posts
September 27 2012 20:34 GMT
#3978
in a trilane visage doesnt need to use any other skill than soul asumption
in between ganks he has more than enough time to regen a fair amount of mana with a rob
he was still used a lot even with that high mana cost,when global ganks with gargoyles and aa ice blast for example was a huge trend
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 21:22:39
September 27 2012 21:20 GMT
#3979
On September 28 2012 05:34 evilfatsh1t wrote:
in a trilane visage doesnt need to use any other skill than soul asumption
in between ganks he has more than enough time to regen a fair amount of mana with a rob
he was still used a lot even with that high mana cost,when global ganks with gargoyles and aa ice blast for example was a huge trend

As far as I remember, people still used him after the bump from 100->150 mana cost, but I don't remember him being used at all after the second nerf from 150->200 mana cost at rank 1 in 6.72.
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LazyFailKid
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada750 Posts
September 27 2012 22:13 GMT
#3980
Oh, so its the high mana costs early and if the enemy bursts your guys down while they stun you and back away you cant retaliate because your charges are gone?
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