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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8930 Posts
theres always some lengthy debate on any topic because dota's just too much of a complex game | ||
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Courvoisir
Germany9 Posts
On June 23 2015 12:43 evilfatsh1t wrote: when has this thread ever been just simple questions/simple answers anyway theres always some lengthy debate on any topic because dota's just too much of a complex game Go buy some wards and take care of observing the qq-threads. | ||
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Kreb
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Theres also the anti-invis tax too. You might have 1k gold on your ES and making good progress towards your Blink but then someone pings out that enemy Slark has his Shadowblade. Thats not fun as solo supp. Because none of the others will likely buy dust, let alone sentries. The best course of action is often to suck it up and spend 400g on 4 sentries, but Im quite sure a lot of people either deny to themselves that its the best way to play, or just ignore it with a "if you dont buy detection I wont" kind of attitude. That said, communication wins games. Kindly ask someone else to buy stuff so you can finish item X is probably best in just about every situation. After all, 1k gold on an ES to get his blink is very often a bigger team upgrade than 1k gold on the carry. | ||
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goody153
44309 Posts
On June 23 2015 18:36 Kreb wrote: Theres quite a big difference between solo supporting and solo supporting, if you know what I mean. Some supports are super fine with just Arcane boots. Some supports dont even need that and can run around with brown boots + stick. These make ideal solo supporters. But theres also several supports who has Blink as core or who benefits greatly from Aghs upgrades or similar. These are far from ideal solo supps. Theres also the anti-invis tax too. You might have 1k gold on your ES and making good progress towards your Blink but then someone pings out that enemy Slark has his Shadowblade. Thats not fun as solo supp. Because none of the others will likely buy dust, let alone sentries. The best course of action is often to suck it up and spend 400g on 4 sentries, but Im quite sure a lot of people either deny to themselves that its the best way to play, or just ignore it with a "if you dont buy detection I wont" kind of attitude. That said, communication wins games. Kindly ask someone else to buy stuff so you can finish item X is probably best in just about every situation. After all, 1k gold on an ES to get his blink is very often a bigger team upgrade than 1k gold on the carry. I can agree to that . For sure that worked on me as well i mean i play carry/mid usually but i did buy wards/sentry/dust if my teammates asked in that manner before. Sometimes even you don't have to explain you just say you're close to x item and most will understand. Unless you're playing with stupid shits who say "YOU'RE JUST A SUPPORT I NEED MY FARM" | ||
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Saki [NETOGE]
United States235 Posts
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Courvoisir
Germany9 Posts
On June 23 2015 20:00 Saki [NETOGE] wrote: I've been learning Naga Siren, and I was wondering what kind of team you need to safely pick her and get decent timing on Radiance-BoT-Core. I can't seem to find a good place to pick her and win, as they expect me to fight early. When drafting i like to 1st/2nd pick a naga suggesting her as support, so the enemies wont neccesarily a early-midgame draft. Then u need 1 aggressiv support on your lane like Lion. 1 Roaming support like space cow or Mirana. A rotationforcing offlane like Axe or an experienced Broodmother and last but not least an aggressiv/snowball mid Like Storm,DK, QoP or Shadow Fiend. Such a lineup should be able to create you the needed space to farm safe n fast. Your supports should stack most camps atleast twice, to accelerate the farming even more. If the enemies put a lot pressure on you call for a swap with the offlane and rotate and push the enemy safelane. Vision and a stacked jungle are the security you need  the rest is all about lasthitting proper. | ||
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manicmessiah
United States107 Posts
On June 23 2015 20:24 Courvoisir wrote: When drafting i like to 1st/2nd pick a naga suggesting her as support, so the enemies wont neccesarily a early-midgame draft. Then u need 1 aggressiv support on your lane like Lion. 1 Roaming support like space cow or Mirana. A rotationforcing offlane like Axe or an experienced Broodmother and last but not least an aggressiv/snowball mid Like Storm,DK, QoP or Shadow Fiend. Such a lineup should be able to create you the needed space to farm safe n fast. Your supports should stack most camps atleast twice, to accelerate the farming even more. If the enemies put a lot pressure on you call for a swap with the offlane and rotate and push the enemy safelane. Vision and a stacked jungle are the security you need the rest is all about lasthitting proper.Alternatively you can just go solo mid naga and once you reach level 4 you should start bottle crowing, spamming illusions into lane and clearing jungle with your hero. Control runes and you should be able to get a 15 min radiance and do well regardless of team. | ||
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Courvoisir
Germany9 Posts
On June 23 2015 20:48 manicmessiah wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2015 20:24 Courvoisir wrote: When drafting i like to 1st/2nd pick a naga suggesting her as support, so the enemies wont neccesarily a early-midgame draft. Then u need 1 aggressiv support on your lane like Lion. 1 Roaming support like space cow or Mirana. A rotationforcing offlane like Axe or an experienced Broodmother and last but not least an aggressiv/snowball mid Like Storm,DK, QoP or Shadow Fiend. Such a lineup should be able to create you the needed space to farm safe n fast. Your supports should stack most camps atleast twice, to accelerate the farming even more. If the enemies put a lot pressure on you call for a swap with the offlane and rotate and push the enemy safelane. Vision and a stacked jungle are the security you need the rest is all about lasthitting proper.Alternatively you can just go solo mid naga and once you reach level 4 you should start bottle crowing, spamming illusions into lane and clearing jungle with your hero. Control runes and you should be able to get a 15 min radiance and do well regardless of team. Which would lead to having no influence on you getting ganked. Mid Naga relies totally on other lanes getting ganked and tends to feed easy :/ and you have only access to 2 camps instead of 3. Fun Combo for Naga: Tiny+Io mid/Safelane, Offlane broodmother, Spiritbreaker/lion/Veno safelane support and Naga perhaps. This offers a lot of instant response if your Naga is in Danger. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8930 Posts
the best teammates for naga are guys like storm/invoker/qop and aggressive supports like lina/lion/sk etc any lineup that likes to fight early and make the game chaotic, because you only need 20mins of chaos max for you to get your radiance. | ||
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manicmessiah
United States107 Posts
On June 23 2015 22:56 Courvoisir wrote: Which would lead to having no influence on you getting ganked. Mid Naga relies totally on other lanes getting ganked and tends to feed easy :/ and you have only access to 2 camps instead of 3. Fun Combo for Naga: Tiny+Io mid/Safelane, Offlane broodmother, Spiritbreaker/lion/Veno safelane support and Naga perhaps. This offers a lot of instant response if your Naga is in Danger. Tbh if you actually pick that lineup your game will be a disaster. The lineup is incredibly greedy and safe lane is incredibly weak. If you pick lion there is little to no playmaking potential in the mid game since he needs a blink and is reasonably level dependant and he will find neither. Bara is melee and dual melee will lose the lane against any decent ranged dual lane or aggro tri, plus bara cannot really zone offlaner well. If you pick veno again he is incredible level dependent and cannot initiate without items like blink/force which will delay the impact items like aghs, maybe glimmer cape or solar crest defensively etc. If all players are reasonably skilled, brood will take away the offlane and enemy jungle, tiny io will stack jungle for themselves and will play greedy to farm up and naga will have to be content with heavily contested lane farm and the pull camp and nearby camps so supports cant pull either. Lanes will be incredible static with brood sitting on her lane and naga and io/tiny going around farming. Basically any snowbally lineup or deathpush or just strong lanes can destroy this. The ideal lineup with naga imo would be something like a qop/lina mid since they not as item dependant or greedy as more common mids atm like storm/sf and can win lane convincingly and roam for kills early. Supports have to be ones that can manage without much farm since naga will take away most of it and who can grow in the game through ganks and early pulls instead of sitting in lane for a while to get up their item (support lina or lion). Ideal duo would be one aggressive like venge or sky who don't need much farm and one defensive like earthshaker or wd who can impact teamfights without items. (You may say es needs blink/wd needs aghs but I am taking about a play style like ppd's that sacrifices himself for the team and eventually accumulates enough gold for his items) Offlane I would think an ideal hero would be something like axe or tide that can get gold from ancient stacks instead of taking away jungle camps from naga, and also make plays with just their blink or whatever core item. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Obviously, tiny+io+brood+spiritbreaker (!!?) is not the above. | ||
BluemoonSC
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VelJa
France1109 Posts
On June 22 2015 17:50 starslayer wrote: legit question, why do people refuse to support or play the support role. i find it baffling when someone picks a support hero and then refuses to support like buying wards. Even when ppl ask before and during the game they still dont. I can't rap my head around it. It makes no sense you pick a support and your losing the game and everyone is asking for your help yet you refuse because they think its the "bitch role"????? come on. again this is a serious question. I have found a lot of game ppl think its a bitch role or something. i know someone will say this should go to the dota QQ thread or whatever but this is a real question that I can't understand. I personally dont mind playing support but if i already picked a hero or see 2 supports then what am i to do i even ask to swap but no. Well let me tell you my story I love to play support & that's my best role. I managed to reach 4K Solo while playing almost always support. Then, it becomes much more harder because of one single point : You can't win a game. You have 0 impact from 25m till the end of the game. in 99% of the games at least. Even if you do all the Job, ward unward smoke tp backups etc etc, when your carry or your midd or your offlane had just no idea what to do YOU LOST THE GAME. I'm not saying they don't know how to play her heros, they do, but they CAN'T TAKE SOME GOOD DECISIONS. push / no push / teamfight / rosh and shit Every game is the same, and you can't do anything else. Ad the fact that mostly u will be flame because you have more death than kill and no stuff, yeah, stop it. And I'm not even talking about people who pick jungler (Chen / Enigma does NOT count) & let you solo support .... S O L O S U P P O R T And I'm not even talking about people who pick compendium Hero and don't know how to play them And I'm not even talking .... you know the rest.... So yeah, now I pick support and i try to get my farm in order to at least : have some fun. The thing is that this game is giving me less and less pleasure. In fact this is not the game : this is the players. Now i only play with friend ARDM and ability draft | ||
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VelJa
France1109 Posts
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SlottedPig
United States52 Posts
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VelJa
France1109 Posts
On June 24 2015 23:46 SlottedPig wrote: I'm medusa with a skadi against mana burn. In an even game, should I be itemizing raw HP (Satanic) or int (Hex) for EHP or should I just buy DPS and hope that I can kill them before they mana burn me? Satanic for HP steal / butterfly for evasion you can ask for a pipe /glimmer cape too in teamfgiht to prevent mana burn | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8933 Posts
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On June 24 2015 23:46 SlottedPig wrote: I'm medusa with a skadi against mana burn. In an even game, should I be itemizing raw HP (Satanic) or int (Hex) for EHP or should I just buy DPS and hope that I can kill them before they mana burn me? dps bkb and pray you have a defensive support with solar crest/lotus orb. | ||
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