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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
May 25 2015 08:19 GMT
#22001
Why does Gyrocopter usually build MKB (and why not Daedalus?)?.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
May 25 2015 08:43 GMT
#22002
flak misses w/o mkb
flak can't crit (or ministun) so proc-based dps doesn't really matter
mkb gives attackspeed and slightly higher raw damage
aboxcar
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States447 Posts
May 25 2015 16:36 GMT
#22003
On May 25 2015 17:19 Birdie wrote:
Why does Gyrocopter usually build MKB (and why not Daedalus?)?.

because group think

MKB is a favorite item of everyone for a long time (qop's use to get it regularly, for example) even though in reality it's not optimal
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 25 2015 22:58 GMT
#22004
On May 25 2015 17:43 Dead9 wrote:
flak misses w/o mkb
flak can't crit (or ministun) so proc-based dps doesn't really matter
mkb gives attackspeed and slightly higher raw damage

This.

Sniper and Gyro are unique in that True Strike gets a lot of value on them even outside of situations normally involving evasion/miss chance, because fights in which they incur high ground miss chance one way or another are quite common due to how long their autoattack/Flak Cannon range is. You actually can lose quite a bit of damage to it, and so True Strike gets some specific value on them in scenarios where you wouldn't necessarily consider it on other heroes.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-26 00:39:37
May 26 2015 00:39 GMT
#22005
Also, homing missile isn't fast enough to stop TPs, so the ministun is more useful than normal.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
May 26 2015 07:03 GMT
#22006
also the last gyro "phase" was against a lot of PA if i remember correctly?????
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VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
May 26 2015 10:04 GMT
#22007
dont argue more xD,
Correct answer was given.
Cit don't proc on flak atk like all orb effect
So to maximise tour DPS in teamfight, you need all your flak attack dealing max damage. The only way to reach dull damage is getting item with pure bonus damage. Best = Divine (too much risky) = MKB.
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DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
May 26 2015 16:34 GMT
#22008
Hey guys,

Played a game as Tinker with a Techies on my team and his ability to plant bombs on the runes was suuuuuuper helpful.. was in mid vs. a Clinkz and basically got every single rune.

Any other heroes that are helpful at securing runes?
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RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
May 26 2015 18:49 GMT
#22009
On May 27 2015 01:34 DinoMight wrote:
Hey guys,

Played a game as Tinker with a Techies on my team and his ability to plant bombs on the runes was suuuuuuper helpful.. was in mid vs. a Clinkz and basically got every single rune.

Any other heroes that are helpful at securing runes?


- heroes that doesn't need to be in a lane to exert pressure, e.g. tree, techies
- roaming heroes that are often in between lanes anyway can help pickup runes by just roaming at the right time, e.g. mirana, spirit breaker, bounty hunter
- offlaners who push can push their lane before each rune spawn, then safely pick it up without losing exp, e.g. dark seer, pheonix

as a bonus, if the hero rotating is great at man-fighting (e.g. tree, dark seer, clockwork), then if they get to the rune at the same time as the enemy mid, they can sometimes convert it into a kill. At the same time, if the enemy mid gets the rune first, they can often pick off a weaker hero trying to deny the rune.
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nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-26 19:02:05
May 26 2015 18:59 GMT
#22010
Templar assassin can be good at securing her own runes because she can ward them herself or even lay traps along the way to them since they provide a good slow if triggered. in that sense, storm is good on his own too.

heroes that help you get rune control,
earthshaker comes to mind
bounty can be scary
chen/enchantress creeps
really anyone who shows up at the right times and is scary/not underleveled in case a fight breaks out involving mid hero.

it's convenient for techies because he wants experience and kills ideally, so he stacks mines where people are more likely to walk and not invest into wards for. although ironically, people de-ward river spots quite often.
like the above poster said, if it's convenient for a particular hero at certain times, they'll probably excel at camping runes too.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
May 27 2015 04:45 GMT
#22011
if you euls a clock who has his q on , does it continue to damage / stun you?
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12088 Posts
May 27 2015 05:16 GMT
#22012
On May 27 2015 13:45 FFGenerations wrote:
if you euls a clock who has his q on , does it continue to damage / stun you?


As far as I know, yes. Better let somebody else confirm it as well though.
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-27 16:58:21
May 27 2015 16:57 GMT
#22013
Our team:

Clockwerk, Storm Spirit, Venge, Dragon Knight, Pugna


What's the best way to deal with Doom in this game?
They also had a Juggernaut, Silencer, Crystal Maiden, Venomancer

We got a ton of kills early on their heroes but couldn't end the game and Doom got out of hand.
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12088 Posts
May 27 2015 17:00 GMT
#22014
You have Clock + SS, great gankers. They have so-so gankers. Get pick offs, then fight or push. Don't see you winning a 5v5 without killing a hero before it starts.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 27 2015 17:01 GMT
#22015
On a pure viewership-level, what in your opinion is the most clowny doto?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-27 17:05:21
May 27 2015 17:03 GMT
#22016
I mean u can always just swap out whoever gets doomed,plus if storm has orchid you can burst doom inside orchid time plus other stuns
or pugna aghs ult heal the doomed target.
plus with dk pugna u can just take all their towers incredibly fast and win on map control.
really its a dumb question. play better is always the answer unless ur like 6k or w/e it isn't some strategic issue its some sucking ass issue. There isn't some brilliant play with a given 5 man lineup thats going to win in pubs because any good strategy assumes decent play which is ur whole issue
On May 28 2015 02:01 IntoTheheart wrote:
On a pure viewership-level, what in your opinion is the most clowny doto?

Korean doto hands down not close
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 27 2015 17:05 GMT
#22017
On May 28 2015 02:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
I mean u can always just swap out whoever gets doomed,plus if storm has orchid you can burst doom inside orchid time plus other stuns
or pugna aghs ult heal the doomed target.
plus with dk pugna u can just take all their towers incredibly fast and win on map control.
really its a dumb question. play better is always the answer unless ur like 6k or w/e it isn't some strategic issue its some sucking ass issue. There isn't some brilliant play with a given 5 man lineup thats going to win in pubs.
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On May 28 2015 02:01 IntoTheheart wrote:
On a pure viewership-level, what in your opinion is the most clowny doto?

Korean doto hands down not close

Besides that one SL, I haven't actually seen any Korean doto.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-27 17:15:46
May 27 2015 17:08 GMT
#22018
On May 28 2015 02:05 IntoTheheart wrote:
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On May 28 2015 02:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
I mean u can always just swap out whoever gets doomed,plus if storm has orchid you can burst doom inside orchid time plus other stuns
or pugna aghs ult heal the doomed target.
plus with dk pugna u can just take all their towers incredibly fast and win on map control.
really its a dumb question. play better is always the answer unless ur like 6k or w/e it isn't some strategic issue its some sucking ass issue. There isn't some brilliant play with a given 5 man lineup thats going to win in pubs.
On May 28 2015 02:01 IntoTheheart wrote:
On a pure viewership-level, what in your opinion is the most clowny doto?

Korean doto hands down not close

Besides that one SL, I haven't actually seen any Korean doto.

from cArn-'s recent blog on Korean dota,
Our line up would be Doom, Viper, Timbersaw, Naga and Disruptor against their Lycan, DK, Nyx, Visage and Dazzle.

now admittedly this is some patches ago but I can assure you that support naga, safelane doom, timbersaw, and drowless old visage, old DK etc were all not good picks in the international meta at the time. Korea managed to remain an isolated microcosm that produced hilarious games based on a completely obsolete meta. If you read the rest of the blog you'll see that from a convincingly winning position team "monkey spanner" (yes that was their name) managed to attempt a baserace vs lycan for no reason and obviously lose. Very sad in the blog, but hilarious dota if you are looking for the clown factor.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-27 19:14:02
May 27 2015 19:02 GMT
#22019
DK just needs to get defensive items to tank the Doom then force Doom into a position where he has to Doom the DK (just get fights engaged in formation and slow him with frost dragon and it's impossible for him to run in and doom other people).

DK's like one of the best heroes to have eat a Doom because he's tanky enough to take the damage and has 0 cast animation so he can get everything off beforehand, plus after 16 he can control how much Doom actually gets to run around in a fight and limit his ability to pick Doom targets unless they use a smoke wraparound to catch your backline at the start.

Like if you're sieging a tower with DK, with Pugna ward behind him and everyone else safely far back enough, its super hard for that team to stop you unless they do a smoke wraparound because the have very weak burst damage and can't pick anyone except the DK to go on.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
May 27 2015 21:22 GMT
#22020
if you morph into dragon form while doom is casting doom, will he have to recast it? im not sure what you would call that interaction..but i know some heroes have spells that require that (storm + ball..but i dont think this is exactly similar?)
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