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BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
December 24 2014 19:06 GMT
#20161
Visage wouldn't be considered a gold-needy support would he?
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-24 19:11:28
December 24 2014 19:08 GMT
#20162
Visage likes farm but it isn't a requirement.

He's certainly not a sand king who *must* dedicate substantial time to getting a blink in order to maintain utility through midgame. But realistically all supports these days do well with items. The power of utility items like force, blink, urn, medallion, and aghs (on most heroes) is just so high.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 24 2014 19:15 GMT
#20163
It's a little weird because while he doesn't *need* farm, he has a hard time getting it if he doesn't farm early game, and farming him early game makes farm come easier for the rest of the game because higher familiar ranks and earlier Agh's means he farms everything else faster. A Visage with a super late level 6/11 or Agh's is like an AA in a similar situation because he just gets poorer and poorer.
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invisible.terran
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States280 Posts
December 25 2014 18:30 GMT
#20164
Hey guys, I know there isn't one quick answer to this question. But as a hard support, what should I be doing during the mid game? Generally, I'm only stacking, warding and wandering around in case a core get caught out.
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Recoil
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States276 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-25 18:41:05
December 25 2014 18:40 GMT
#20165
A supports priority really depends on what hero you are and what heroes your team and the other team have.

But you should always do is ward/deward because you having more/better Intel than your opponents is always a good choice, but your ward positioning will change based on the stage of the game and what your teams goal is. If your team is looking to bank an opposition carry or push towers early you will need aggressive wards in enemy territory, but if your team is looking to hold out until late game by letting a hard carry farm defensive wards in your own areas to ensure safe farm are better.

Stacking and babysitting are also good in games where your team aims to take the game later so that your carries can be at their strongest, but doing this in a game where your team needs to snowball or take lots of early towers will not be effective.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-25 18:43:22
December 25 2014 18:42 GMT
#20166
On December 26 2014 03:30 invisible.terran wrote:
Hey guys, I know there isn't one quick answer to this question. But as a hard support, what should I be doing during the mid game? Generally, I'm only stacking, warding and wandering around in case a core get caught out.


Try to allways keep the smokes sold out no matter what support you play, smokes force you to create opportunities, even at low levels. Every russian or peruvian knows that when ur smoked you are gonna attempt killing stuff. No need to communicate, even the dumb and dumber understand that being smoked means action. Well, maybe im wrong but in my pubs im the only support that buy smokes ever, and i try to gank and that sort o shit you see on the tiwtch yo!
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-25 19:07:08
December 25 2014 19:06 GMT
#20167
On December 26 2014 03:30 invisible.terran wrote:
Hey guys, I know there isn't one quick answer to this question. But as a hard support, what should I be doing during the mid game? Generally, I'm only stacking, warding and wandering around in case a core get caught out.

Both of the above is good advice. Smokes make a huge difference, so does focus on the vision game.

In any game where there is invis, making sure dust and sentries are available is a huge deal. Just remember to think about the difference between dust and sentries. Persistent detection in a fixed area is sometimes far more advantageous than reactively dusting (and vice-versa). Best example of this is taking rosh against a Mirana team. If you don't have at least one sentry outside the pit you are a fool.

I mention this because supports get this wrong all the time. I ask specifically for sentries and they buy dust. Or vice-versa. Now, sometimes the support is right and the core is wrong, so it's not about some hierarchy, it's the fact that the situation clearly called for one over the other and the support acted like it was interchangeable. As a hard support this is one of the top things you can get right to make a difference.

I don't know if there is a thread dedicated to vision and detection but it seems like there should be. It's one of the most important subjects in Dota tbh. That's why the point of "place your wards according to the situation" is so important. Sometimes you're going to want a ward just for a specific fight. And that's where experience and understanding of the game is irreplaceable: correctly anticipating where vision will make the most difference either for the stage of the game or for a specific fight you know is coming makes you a huge asset.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7080 Posts
December 25 2014 21:16 GMT
#20168
Why is Mjollnir/Maelstrom still a UAM? It doesn't seem to me that it'd be super imbalanced if it stacked with lifesteal/deso on every hit instead of just hits where it doesn't proc
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
December 25 2014 23:49 GMT
#20169
Tbh the way icefrog is going, I don't expect uams to exist by like 6.85
Surprise.820
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1276 Posts
December 26 2014 00:07 GMT
#20170
I'd much, much prefer it if it was strictly override.
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
December 26 2014 00:41 GMT
#20171
On December 26 2014 08:49 Belisarius wrote:
Tbh the way icefrog is going, I don't expect uams to exist by like 6.85

A lot of people are predicting this. We're either being eased off orbs to slowly check for balance issues along the way or we're being eased out of them into a more distinct set of restrictions.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Lavitage2
Profile Joined June 2012
198 Posts
December 26 2014 13:40 GMT
#20172
is there any shortcut through lpq left or have all the loopholes been closed?
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-26 13:59:40
December 26 2014 13:59 GMT
#20173
On December 26 2014 22:40 Lavitage2 wrote:
is there any shortcut through lpq left or have all the loopholes been closed?

apparently if u abandon a bot game during picking screen in lpq, the counter gets reset to 6 if it was more...
also bot games that last >15min count as finished lpq games
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s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
December 26 2014 19:59 GMT
#20174
When i watch some players stream, i see they have some GUI help, like blue circle where the Void's ulti will land, or circle where Snipers shrapnels will fall. How does one toggle that?
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BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
December 27 2014 01:04 GMT
#20175
Is PL a good offlaner?
CrtBalorda
Profile Joined December 2011
Slovenia704 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 15:48:01
December 27 2014 02:20 GMT
#20176
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Does using devour and midas increase your last hit count?

I HAVE TO KNOW!


Edit: 1 week ban for such a stupid question please
Edit: I thought asking for bans was a thing here
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
December 27 2014 03:14 GMT
#20177
On December 27 2014 10:04 BoZiffer wrote:
Is PL a good offlaner?

Very much doubt it. Not that anyone is trying it, but I have no idea how he would be able to make himself relevant with standard offlane farm. Sure he has an escape but thinking longer into the game I cant see how it could be good.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-28 11:33:46
December 28 2014 11:23 GMT
#20178
I lost the info on howto post drafts in a descent order on the forum, anyone have an example i can quote and ofc the herolist codes?
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-28 11:48:40
December 28 2014 11:48 GMT
#20179
This thread might have an example of what you're thinking of:

http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-tournaments/472513-the-summit-2-lan-finals-day-1

Are you doing the ECL stuff?
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-28 12:30:39
December 28 2014 12:24 GMT
#20180
On December 28 2014 20:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:
This thread might have an example of what you're thinking of:

http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-tournaments/472513-the-summit-2-lan-finals-day-1

Are you doing the ECL stuff?


Thx! I initially posted the question because I want to try to write a small blogseries about trenchy drafting in turbostyle (less then 10 lines of text per blog/draft). I dont know how its gonna turn out, even if its a not well recieved blog i atleast have my drafts sorted out which i can use in my own games.

Which website do you get the hero icons from?
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