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schmitty9800
Profile Joined August 2010
United States390 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-17 03:30:26
December 17 2014 03:30 GMT
#20061
On December 15 2014 07:15 BoZiffer wrote:
I have been playing a bit of Abbadon lately. I see him as a better urn carrier than mek - is that accurate?

I thought he was an awful mek carrier even before the mek mana change. He needs his mana to spam shields on demand.
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
December 17 2014 05:17 GMT
#20062
On December 17 2014 12:30 schmitty9800 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2014 07:15 BoZiffer wrote:
I have been playing a bit of Abbadon lately. I see him as a better urn carrier than mek - is that accurate?

I thought he was an awful mek carrier even before the mek mana change. He needs his mana to spam shields on demand.

generally if u plan on getting meka u get arcane boots, if u plan on getting urn u get tranquils
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VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
December 17 2014 09:04 GMT
#20063
never go for tranquils
just a fucking bad item on him
go borwn boots.
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CrtBalorda
Profile Joined December 2011
Slovenia704 Posts
December 17 2014 17:15 GMT
#20064
Plz someone tell me the hardest single hero counter pick against this axe omni madness.
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Varth
Profile Joined August 2010
United States426 Posts
December 17 2014 17:22 GMT
#20065
Panda
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
December 17 2014 17:24 GMT
#20066
On December 17 2014 18:04 VelJa wrote:
never go for tranquils
just a fucking bad item on him
go borwn boots.

its not bad if ur intention is to spam ally with heals in lane
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
December 17 2014 17:37 GMT
#20067
On December 18 2014 02:15 CrtBalorda wrote:
Plz someone tell me the hardest single hero counter pick against this axe omni madness.


In lane - Lich, to keep Omni from getting levels.
Overall - Zeus, who kills Axe through Call's armor and everyone else through Guardian Angel.
Honorable mention - Silencer, for the easy counter-initiate
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 17 2014 17:39 GMT
#20068
Iunno
As a support SD works wonders since u can purge off omni's bullshit, disrupt whoever gets called, and if u disrupt axe the illusions get spin procs.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
December 17 2014 17:52 GMT
#20069
I agree with snowman and axe doesnt like poisons/slows at early levels in my pubs.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
December 17 2014 20:12 GMT
#20070
also, insert the generic advice about making sure that you harass axe in the jungle if you can.

he loves to drop his tranquils to farm the jungle more efficiently, so if you can bug the shit outta him, chances are he will pick them up and cancel the extra hp regen. on top of that, you slow him down significantly if he doesn't feel safe or if you get a kill.

im guessing youre dealing with call + heal bombs..any form of counter initiators or defensive supports are great. I've been playing oracle vs axe bc false promise negates axe's bs.
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Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-17 21:17:13
December 17 2014 21:13 GMT
#20071
What about AA? Chilling Touch in a dual or trilane (especially if you're all ranged) will eat through Axe's HP. Otherwise I like dodging the lane with someone who's good at being an annoying ranged offlane like Phoenix. That or using Treant's living armor to help win the other lanes while taking XP from axe's lane.

SD is also nice because banish on disruption gives you a chance to avoid the bomb part of the healbomb, just don't attack axe with the illusions and proc a bunch of spins.

Would visage work? How much would soul assumption charge from axe's shenanigans?
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RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
December 18 2014 00:20 GMT
#20072
On December 18 2014 06:13 Logo wrote:
What about AA? Chilling Touch in a dual or trilane (especially if you're all ranged) will eat through Axe's HP. Otherwise I like dodging the lane with someone who's good at being an annoying ranged offlane like Phoenix. That or using Treant's living armor to help win the other lanes while taking XP from axe's lane.

SD is also nice because banish on disruption gives you a chance to avoid the bomb part of the healbomb, just don't attack axe with the illusions and proc a bunch of spins.

Would visage work? How much would soul assumption charge from axe's shenanigans?


- Familiars die to spin, so getting level 6 doesn't help. You can't even use the familiars to stop axe's blink since he will just spin immediately and kill them for the bonus gold.
- Axe could just max hunger instead and zone you off creeps, with no base MR, visage dies in 2.5 hungers.
- Soul assumption is also not going to deal enough damage to eat through axe's hp plus omni's heal.
- Repel removes grave chill debuff.

but

- Visage is ranged, which is great by default against that lane
- he is capable of kiting both using grave chill
- Soul assumption is almost guaranteed to get max charges, making it mana efficient.

My counter has been a terrorblade carry. Diffusal is a good pick up after yasha, and you can go even or win the early game since axe can't run up and call you when in metamorphosis. As long as you have a suitable counter initiate on your team to buy time during the gaurdian angel, you should be okay.

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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
December 18 2014 00:26 GMT
#20073
i get the axe abaddon creep cutting bs all the time
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-18 00:36:11
December 18 2014 00:29 GMT
#20074
You can cut back before they hit your tower, akward but possible no matter what hero you got.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 18 2014 00:32 GMT
#20075
On December 18 2014 09:20 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:
My counter has been a terrorblade carry. Diffusal is a good pick up after yasha, and you can go even or win the early game since axe can't run up and call you when in metamorphosis. As long as you have a suitable counter initiate on your team to buy time during the gaurdian angel, you should be okay.

Axe crushes TB in any even lane (2v2/3v3) assuming there's no massive disparity in the usefulness of the supports.

When TB just got ported to DotA 2, Axe was getting picked almost every game in Chinese pubs to aggro tri against him.
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Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-18 05:50:11
December 18 2014 05:49 GMT
#20076
On December 18 2014 02:52 govie wrote:
I agree with snowman and axe doesnt like poisons/slows at early levels in my pubs.

In general this is true, but for level 1 SD vs axe you should also consider Soul Catcher. He's not all that tanky early on and the bonus damage from soul catcher is legit as hell against him. Granted you need to guarantee your level 2 if you go that route, but if it nets you even 1 extra kill it's worth it IMO.
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Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-18 13:44:28
December 18 2014 13:44 GMT
#20077
any thoughts on core lina itemization
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Lash-
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany61 Posts
December 18 2014 13:50 GMT
#20078
any thoughts on core lina itemization


Maybe smth like Bottle Phase Euls Dagger into Mkb/aghs/skadi?
it's only after we've lost everything that we are free to do anything
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
December 18 2014 13:50 GMT
#20079
phase blink euls, i dont know the order tho. add aghs + mjol i think
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VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
December 18 2014 13:51 GMT
#20080
On December 18 2014 22:50 icystorage wrote:
phase blink euls, i dont know the order tho. add aghs + mjol i think

yup .. some people will say that a drum is better after phase and before dagger/euls but i think it depends of the game
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