EPTi can get it like 14-17 minutes .. is that slow ? that's when i am in radiant and i do ganks with my other meepo at those times
when i am in dire it's 3-5 minutes longer
those timings is when nobody is ganking me
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goody153
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i can get it like 14-17 minutes .. is that slow ? that's when i am in radiant and i do ganks with my other meepo at those times when i am in dire it's 3-5 minutes longer those timings is when nobody is ganking me | ||
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FreeZer
Sweden288 Posts
On August 16 2014 14:54 goody153 wrote: How fast is the normal aghs timing as solo mid ? i can get it like 14-17 minutes .. is that slow ? that's when i am in radiant and i do ganks with my other meepo at those times when i am in dire it's 3-5 minutes longer those timings is when nobody is ganking me Depends on what build you're going. Are you going aghs first? In that case 17 minutes sounds very slow. Imo you should only go aghs first when you have complete free farm, and the rest of your team is doing fine without you for some time. This is almost never the case when I play (and I usually go mid), and I often find myself going bottle, PT, blink before aghs. I really think this is the most fun way to play meepo anyway instead of afk-farming. | ||
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goody153
44118 Posts
On August 16 2014 17:36 FreeZer wrote: Depends on what build you're going. Are you going aghs first? In that case 17 minutes sounds very slow. Imo you should only go aghs first when you have complete free farm, and the rest of your team is doing fine without you for some time. This is almost never the case when I play (and I usually go mid), and I often find myself going bottle, PT, blink before aghs. I really think this is the most fun way to play meepo anyway instead of afk-farming. threads/bottle(if midlane) ---> aquila -- > poor mans shield ---> aghs that's what i build .. i only get blink first when i am not the midlane and i am laning with another carry ..or just playing support so it's slow .. gotta improve that farming then and also afk farming can get you close to 6 slot in 30-45 minutes though but roaming is so damn fun | ||
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FreeZer
Sweden288 Posts
On August 16 2014 18:29 goody153 wrote: threads/bottle(if midlane) ---> aquila -- > poor mans shield ---> aghs that's what i build .. i only get blink first when i am not the midlane and i am laning with another carry ..or just playing support so it's slow .. gotta improve that farming then and also afk farming can get you close to 6 slot in 30-45 minutes though but roaming is so damn fun With those items before the aghs 17 is not slow any more, in fact then it's quite good I'd say considering mid is usually not free farm. Why would you go poor man's sheild that late though? Feels like it doesnt do much then. | ||
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goody153
44118 Posts
On August 16 2014 19:16 FreeZer wrote: With those items before the aghs 17 is not slow any more, in fact then it's quite good I'd say considering mid is usually not free farm. Why would you go poor man's sheild that late though? Feels like it doesnt do much then. yeah i get poormanshiled after basilius .. so i should switch it then ? idk man feels slow .. but this was free farm lanes .. i mean this timing i am not under a lot of pressure .. i have not played a game yet where i am heavily ganked EDIT: well i remember a game where i got ganked a lot and i was not mid that time .. i got my aghs like 30~ish minutes .. lol i felt like shit after that game Another question : A few years ago i would get mek + vlads + pipe .. i know it's terrible but is mek or vlads still a viable pickup ? or i should still prioritize aghs or dagger ? if yes when do i pick up those items ? | ||
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FreeZer
Sweden288 Posts
Mek and vlads are relatively cheap items that lets me fight quickly, and I get them before aghs if I really have to. This is if the enemy team is pushing down our towers, leaving me little space to farm, and my own team really can't do without me. Also consider delaying blink if you're up against 5-man dota and your team has other sources of initiation, or if you're the ones getting initiated on. | ||
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kaztah
Norway1221 Posts
Have your team stall while you farm at least one lane + entire jungle til you get those items and just fight from that point on. If I'm safelane, I'll farm til I'm 7 for max poof and will leave the lane for some support to catch up on some exp+farm while I take over the entire jungle. When you're 10 and get a third meepo you can farm a lane while doing that too. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
I like Basilius as a starter item since it gives both protection and damage and regen, from there for me it's just too fun and useful to not rush BoT. I totally agree Vlads isn't good on Meepo— at least the Meepo I play. If you get like phase boots or treads with geostrike early, I suppose it's decent since you'll need something to heal, plus you'll deal more attack damage. Just like Vlad's, I'd say Mek can work on a Meepo without BoT; Probably best on a support-style play. I don't really like getting it unless it's 1v1 solo mid where you will never be able to afford a aghanim's. It's not particularly effective for it's cost, if you were to consider it like extra health (although it is more than that), it's only like getting 13 str worth of attributes for all meepos, which isn't as effective in cost as any attribute item like an ulti orb or ghost scepter or half of Agh's that gives the str+agil. I personally don't like getting a shield of any type because it seems quite unnecessary since the level 3 (or even level 4) change. If your main Meepo takes much damage early on, you can use a tango or two (or none), then wait for level 3, and send it to the fountain. Maybe a bit of lost gold, but not as much as the shield costs. The only viable starting items for Meepo in my opinion is either Basilius, boots, or bottle. (plus tango of course), since it's really hard to justify a quelling or shield when you get that extra Meepo at level 3. Especially if one has a RoB, it seems not particularly necessary to have a bottle either, since one can buy so many tangos/salves for that equivalent price, and the rune storage feature is generally useless for Meepo. The main benefit over tangos just seems to be the mana gain from it which doesn't seem _that_ necessary nor beneficial. | ||
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goody153
44118 Posts
i always buy aquila it seems to help all my meepos in terms of mana and it gives extra stats so i see no reason why not buy it .. not to mention its cheap idk if that was efficient also normally if i am against a strong lane like DP or huskar that i can't kill. When i get to level 3 i start farming both neutrals and leave one meepo in the lane just for the xp and occasional last hit. That's the reasoning why i buy poor mans shield .. I send the one with poor mans shield in the lane while the other one farms in the neuts. Only the small camp and of course. When i farm the medium camp i bring the two meepos but seriously i just brought poor mans just because singsing was buying it .. i am just trying to rationalize :D Also this way i am keeping my eye on the safelane and can get a gank when my team needs it. Early BoT seems really weak since you only have two meepo and normally there is another carry in the team. So can't farm everything in the map. Early dagger is better. I actually last priority the item when i get six slot and i just replace the threads that time. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
I usually play him in the safe lane and the reason why I am using Poor Man shield is because my main Meepo is farming in the lane while my second Meepo is stacking few camps in the jungle and I am not sending Meepos to the fountain that often, another reason why I am going for Tranquils early. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Totally different style from singsing/excalibur Meepo, in that he prefers to be interactive, rather than just farming and carrying. This video shows how calm he is several times when he almost got killed. I kinda grew tired at videos of pro meepo players, when it basically them just blink poofing and carrying late game, or them diving fountain while 5/6 slotted. The good meepo plays are those that show players reacting and microing when in trouble, with good splits and clutch TP into return kills. What's so nice about watching meepo surviving Chain Frosts + Echo Slams just because they are overfed/overlevelled? | ||
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kaztah
Norway1221 Posts
On August 17 2014 19:59 DucK- wrote: Best Meepo player since forever. If you understand mandarin, niuwa's meepo has always been a joy to watch. He used to play a bit of dota 2 too. I remember watching a few movies of his play. I think he streamed on some site and vods got uploaded to youtube. For all I know he still does. On August 17 2014 19:59 DucK- wrote: What's so nice about watching meepo surviving Chain Frosts + Echo Slams just because they are overfed/overlevelled? What is nice is watching them get to that stage. Efficiently farming and dodging ganks enough to reach that stage is a very important skill in itself. It's not exactly easy playing meepo against chain frosts + echo slams, so it means you must be doing something well. Sure watching cutesy 2on2 plays early game with kiting meepos are fun, but that's not what wins you games in the long run. The reason people buy poor man shield is for the blocking and because meepos early 46~ or so damage is so trash, having 6 extra damage helps quite a lot. Cheap slot efficient damage that fits well with money if someone pools you a bit of tangoes. You can find a lot of his FPVODs on lovecoqu channel which has most of the Chinese games although the titles are in Chinese. look for "牛蛙" for niuwa and you can also find yaphets/pis FPVODs there too. That's the reddit post about it. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On August 17 2014 22:38 kaztah wrote: He used to play a bit of dota 2 too. I remember watching a few movies of his play. I think he streamed on some site and vods got uploaded to youtube. For all I know he still does. What is nice is watching them get to that stage. Efficiently farming and dodging ganks enough to reach that stage is a very important skill in itself. It's not exactly easy playing meepo against chain frosts + echo slams, so it means you must be doing something well. Sure watching cutesy 2on2 plays early game with kiting meepos are fun, but that's not what wins you games in the long run. The reason people buy poor man shield is for the blocking and because meepos early 46~ or so damage is so trash, having 6 extra damage helps quite a lot. Cheap slot efficient damage that fits well with money if someone pools you a bit of tangoes. I'm just whining about highlights of meepo players winning 1v5 6 slotted. Always found this videos boring to watch, and always expecting to see the cute stuff. | ||
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goody153
44118 Posts
On August 17 2014 19:59 DucK- wrote: Best Meepo player since forever. If you understand mandarin, niuwa's meepo has always been a joy to watch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rPr39nbXFU Totally different style from singsing/excalibur Meepo, in that he prefers to be interactive, rather than just farming and carrying. This video shows how calm he is several times when he almost got killed. I kinda grew tired at videos of pro meepo players, when it basically them just blink poofing and carrying late game, or them diving fountain while 5/6 slotted. The good meepo plays are those that show players reacting and microing when in trouble, with good splits and clutch TP into return kills. What's so nice about watching meepo surviving Chain Frosts + Echo Slams just because they are overfed/overlevelled? i don't understand mandarin but i'll be just like watching bw pro games with korean lol Usually when i get chain frosted i panic and pray that it bounces on other targets lol | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On August 18 2014 00:24 goody153 wrote: i don't understand mandarin but i'll be just like watching bw pro games with korean lol Usually when i get chain frosted i panic and pray that it bounces on other targets lol Well I only watched this video of his recently. I'll translate some parts to show how calm and collected he was. 21:13 - "Ehh a fight is starting at top lane, I'll wait here a while...(Rhasta blink + hex, BH attacks)...ehh I'll poof each meepo 1,2,3,4, rhasta definitely wants to net me, 2nd meepo toss net, 3rd meepo too, use Dust, BH can't kill me now, net again...nvm I can just a-click him to death, main meepo blink away and TP, in this fight BH and rhasta tried to kill me, but I was nimble and escaped" 22:34 - "Ehh this is an opportunity! I'm just nearby, my teammate skeleton king is going to resurrect...poof poof poof poof poof...(blinks poofs to enemy)...i'll blink in and first kill rhasta, rhasta wants to shackle me but it's no use I still have 2 more that haven't poof in yet, all are here now i'll finish rhasta off, then i'll kill axe next, axe poses abit of a threat, i'll first move this low hp meepo away, axe is dead, this spectre still hasn't ran? i'll net him and then poof with these 4 meepos, kill the spectre now, yep i got a triple kill, BH wants to hack me, i'll move this meepo away while the rest slows him...(BH dies, main meepo TPs)...nice, i just need to move the meepo away, my other clones can slow him till 100ms, so he would never be able to catch up with that meepo" If there's any parts you want me to translate, or any other mandarin videos, just let me know. | ||
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
On September 11 2014 07:25 BobMcJohnson wrote: How do you deal with Elder Titan? is it worth it to go AC vs him? ideally have ur teammates buy vlads/ac. sven/rubick as duo support are rly good too for warcry/null field | ||
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