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On September 20 2016 03:07 Baggage wrote:
Far from it Eblade is still the item to go for in most games. I legitimately don't understand the impression people have that Morphling is super about the split push and not fighting whatsoever. Perhaps some clarification on the "split pushing" would be better.
Pre-Eblade you don't feel so comfortable about being forced to join/actively seeking fights, but you are more than capable should your presence be required. You bait an insane amount of focus on your hero and still live while your team cleans up. Once you have Eblade you'd much rather defend a tower and take a fight than split pushing because of the absurd and abusable power spike you're getting (unless you're really behind of course).
Not to mention its not like eblade isn't a good split push item - effectively having hte item in your inventory forces the enemy to respond to your split push very carefully, as if a support gets a little out of position you can kill them with eblade combo and replicate out, while forcing TPs. And it gives quite good stats.
Its just...fucking good.
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Morphling is insane at lower MMRs u can destroy ur lane through playing rly aggressively and knowing the limits of waveform and morph since it's pretty much guaranteed the person ur laning against will not have that same understanding, meaning u can bait them and then turn it around very very easily
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1v1 lanes he's pretty good. Personally I struggle in a lot of 2v2s unless the support is familiar with his limits as well. A lot of the kills he picks up end with him in a super exposed position that could easily mean a death or a full-str walk of shame if his lanemate doesn't respond correctly.
Idk I'm sure I'm just bad at him, but I do feel like his laning stage is very... brittle. Either you get what you need and then use high agi and waveform to crush your lane and then the game, or you get owned by some cancer duo and spend the whole game chasing your own powercurve.
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On September 21 2016 08:49 Belisarius wrote:
1v1 lanes he's pretty good. Personally I struggle in a lot of 2v2s unless the support is familiar with his limits as well. A lot of the kills he picks up end with him in a super exposed position that could easily mean a death or a full-str walk of shame if his lanemate doesn't respond correctly.
Idk I'm sure I'm just bad at him, but I do feel like his laning stage is very... brittle. Either you get what you need and then use high agi and waveform to crush your lane and then the game, or you get owned by some cancer duo and spend the whole game chasing your own powercurve.
Mirrors my experience, but I suck on the hero anyways. 2v1 is easy, 1v1 is doable in most MUs, 2v2 is a nightmare if their lane isn't super-weak. 2-3 base armor, low starting hp and low range just isn't great if you can't bully single people with your burst damage.
Then again the hero adds a lot of damage early on, so if you have an aggressive lion f.e. I can see him winning 2v2s as well. But yeah it's neigh impossible to make a go in a 2v2 MU without having to morph strength in the process, which means b2b in most cases. So even won 2v2s will still be far behind a 2v1 lane.
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I mean he can win 2v2s just fine, I'm not saying he's a weak laner. His base stats are compensated by his excellent nuke, customisable base damage/armour and hp on demand. He's quite a strong laner and he can wreck things with a good support.
It's just that if he comes up against a lane that's even stronger, or something goes wrong even in a fair matchup, his entire game gets super hard. Cancer dual offlanes are pretty common right now, as well.
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Even if you get owned in lane you can still catchup it just means you will have to rely on your allies to do stuff midgame while you farm up. With low agi you farm fairly fast and you can clear jungle reasonably decently with aquila+qb+ring. Also you have wave so you can tp to shit and contribute unlike other hard carries. Compared to other carries like Slark or Drow who becomes really useless if the lane goes bad morph is pretty decent.
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a pretty moot comparison from me but i like that at least with slark that no matter how bad the lane is (dual lanes and all) all you need is 6 and a manageable amount of farm like iron talon + makings of an aquila or ideally closer to completed aquila with treads and 7 with max Q. you can still get that shadowblade in and around 13-16m despite the suffering in lane and that is your instant catchup. a lot of newer slark players have the trap of spending too much time trying to find kill bounty with SB and not abusing the jungling while they can, or using it as the primary way of catchup in the first place.
it sucks more for drow and you're not picking it to have an awful lane either (or on any safelane hero for that matter) but there's at least something with the naked morbid mask and level 6. the catchup takes quite a bit longer for that hero and i don't like it either, but there's something.
AM's catchup can be slow and is dependent on team, generally hopeful that there's a free lane about to push in, but the escape and mobility is there and widely accepted.
w/ morphling i think it's closer to drow/luna level of desperation farm as you'll most likely only have treads aquila or some mix and match with RoH. he's doing 100-something per auto attack, maybe 115+ with quelling but there's probably some deaths to your name, or low CS, or a dead tower and it is easy to see you're not in a lane and roam in on the jungle with wards. pudge in this event is pretty annoying ):.. riki... sadnewsbears
so to this start i think perserverance + dragon lance is the most obvious and stable build right now, but you need to be able to walk a lane to tower and finish the lance, and then linkens so you're on the same power level for quite some time.
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I find Morphling easier to play when people just start to gank train you all the time honestly because usually they'll under commit heroes and then your team TPs in and you counter kill the lot of them. Much simpler decision compared deciding when to TP in to join fights or w.e.
It's never ideal but you do jungle really fast on Morph even with a bad start you just go close to Max Agility + QB. I got stomped in lane 1v1 by a Timber the other day and jungled my way to 25 min Linkens + EB. Rotate between camps and waveform lane creeps to keep it pushed and it'll deter people from randomly roaming into the jungle. You will have to rely on your team to create space for you though, but thats the case for the majority of carries when they fall behind. Obviously a bit different depending on some of the heroes they might have.
Morph is definitely better to play from behind than an AM or something because you still have the tools to contribute and fight whereas AM is stuck down the path of searching the map for farm and maybe occasional end of skirmish mana void.
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If your lane sucks really bad you can get talon too for catchup, it's like a mini midas.
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this hero is killing 2k pubs atm :/
being able to str gain thru stuns (?) is just ridiculous
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On September 28 2016 01:45 FFGenerations wrote:
this hero is killing 2k pubs atm :/
being able to str gain thru stuns (?) is just ridiculous
disruptor, aa, riki, thank me later
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cool tnx
also i ban riki every game so :!
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Honestly? heroes like AA Disruptors Rikis are really not that much of a problem for a morph. Maybe disruptors, kunkkas etc can prove to be a challenge pre linkens, and even after it, but it doesnt affect your overall split pushing strategy much, and its not particularly hard to split push against those once you have linkens, or play around disruptor/AA ult in team fights.
I find that those heroes which morph are pretty bad against are high burst magical heroes, something along the lines of zeus, because u can very easily get random bursted down because u are always so low hp pools. Hes also pretty bad against tinkers because of how well tinker can handle morph's split push as well as aghs + aether lens is kinda hard for morph to fight/push into.
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tnx for the input. i mean ive been playing only support for a while for disrupter is an option
glimmer is good i think (glimmer is like a free bkb in 2k mmr lol)
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its also quite hard for morph to fight into heroes such as TB especially when he goes full agi morph when he has like 2-3 big items only because reflection is soooo good that during the 4 sec you would literally rekt yourself to death and be forced to waveform away.
mana burners like AM/OD/PL is also quite hard for morph to deal with. AM is 50/50 while OD and PL holds quite a significant advantage against morph in fights. if a PL is good he can easily dodge Eblade adaptives with dopple, and OD, just fucking rekts morph.
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Good Shadow demon players with maxed q, glimmer, and some combination of force or Euls or whatever is pretty hard to deal with.
If the SD has good positioning, ur gunna kill yourself from illusions or at least severely dmg your team.
I think Sd is better than all the "traditional" hard counters.
Maybe ET is better depends on the lineup
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is there anyway of dealing with a tinker that has gotten a sub 9 min bots and just counter depush whatever lane you are in? I find it extremely hard to play the split push game especially when morph doesnt have much kill potential on tinker and has to basically content with hiding till tinker is gone then depushing the wave. but it makes split pushing extremely difficult as u are never able to force a 4v5.
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WOW i just played mid voker vs a morph and went like 0-3 and lost the tower in like 10 minutes
it was like, he is on 500 hp and i right click him once and he just waves into me under the tower, kills me in 3 hits then is instantly on 1000 hp and hitting creeps like i wasnt even in the game
i'm literally standing at my tier 2 after that staring at a guy on 500 hp afk farming while my team says report voker gg ez mid
after that i finish my midas and make a glimmer and turn into ward bitch coz my supports are not doing it and farm a linkens and we get back into the game with an AM / pudge stun (morph didnt make a linkens i guess)
ive never been so wrecked mid and felt so helpless in my life
https://www.opendota.com/matches/2675154198
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I had a reasonably good success vs morph as PL. All you need is a good team so that they let you last pick and play around you. But its too much to ask in pubs. FeelsBad.
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On September 29 2016 02:58 FFGenerations wrote:WOW i just played mid voker vs a morph and went like 0-3 and lost the tower in like 10 minutes it was like, he is on 500 hp and i right click him once and he just waves into me under the tower, kills me in 3 hits then is instantly on 1000 hp and hitting creeps like i wasnt even in the game i'm literally standing at my tier 2 after that staring at a guy on 500 hp afk farming while my team says report voker gg ez mid after that i finish my midas and make a glimmer and turn into ward bitch coz my supports are not doing it and farm a linkens and we get back into the game with an AM / pudge stun (morph didnt make a linkens i guess) ive never been so wrecked mid and felt so helpless in my life https://www.opendota.com/matches/2675154198
That uh shouldn't happen. Can't watch ATM but morphling is a bitch in lane, you just gotta abuse forge spirits and your base dmg.
At best the morph should be useless till lv 5-7 when he can get a wave pushed out. At worst you should dominate the lane so hard that he has to iron talon jungle
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EPT
