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FFGenerations
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should probably just watch a high level replay sometime and that will answer all my questions | ||
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ahswtini
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FFGenerations
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fucking soul ring is the best item in dota i decided today except when i was walking around with a soul ring recipe for 20 minutes on lion that was just a bit awkward | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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ahw
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
Soul ring on invoker only makes sense if you're bad and can't use mana properly. Don't do that. If you're QE, get aquila, midas, raindrop, brown boots, go farm lane and jungle for 15 minutes and use sunstrike to "help team". Easiest dota of your life. | ||
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DucK-
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Kaj
Singapore269 Posts
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FFGenerations
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On September 29 2016 07:02 ahswtini wrote: ok watever dude try to be nice bro On September 29 2016 08:25 ahw wrote: yeah you need null and basi thats pretty much it. that is not worth analysing more than you tried to clown and you got dumpstered on ya too many ez games i haven't been forced to adapt and play like a higher tier player -__- On September 29 2016 08:30 Birdie wrote: U can go QE and get wraith band lvl 1, it's better. But ya null or wraith lvl 1 with 2x faerie fire or 1x faerrie fire and a branch, get forge spirits, destroy him every time he tries to hit anything cos your range >>>>> his and your damage >>>> his and your HP and regen >>>>> his. There's no way you should lose that lane. Soul ring on invoker only makes sense if you're bad and can't use mana properly. Don't do that. If you're QE, get aquila, midas, raindrop, brown boots, go farm lane and jungle for 15 minutes and use sunstrike to "help team". Easiest dota of your life. oh so wraith builds into aquila, and i guess its VERY slightly better than basilius in terms of stats and VERY slightly worse than null in terms of stats (but null doesn't upgrade)? yeah i'm decent with my mana, i was getting soul ring on oracle and it was god tier so i thought i'd try it out on voker for a bit , thanks for pointing out how much it gimped me everyone i'm actually 73.5% with voker (19 games, various low tier) so yeah i enjoy the buttfuckery very much :D On September 29 2016 12:00 Kaj wrote: u guys talk like invoker vs morph is so invoker favored, but its not really. :D It's all dependent on the first wave of creeps. If morph is able to get a good block off and get lvl 2 safely then hes completely fine. In fact the most dangerous part for morph vs invoker is before he gets his bottle. If he or a support is able to secure his lane in the first 2-3 mins and he gets a bottle on invoker, he has pretty good harass and kill potential on invoker, especially if creep equilibrium is not on invoker's side. Not to mention his kill potential with suipports is way higher than invoker has with supports. you got my back bro haha :D *tries not to go 0-3 next time* i'm gonna go calibrate now so i can cut down on my playing lul | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On September 30 2016 05:33 Birdie wrote: U get wraith band for Aquila which buffs forge spirits its basically so you can take t1 tower quickly in the midlane which is like 90% of why invoker mid is a thing the minor mana regen is mostly what invoker needs and you can ship 1 clarity at some point. this is the wrong thread for invoker tho | ||
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nanaoei
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On September 29 2016 12:00 Kaj wrote: u guys talk like invoker vs morph is so invoker favored, but its not really. :D It's all dependent on the first wave of creeps. If morph is able to get a good block off and get lvl 2 safely then hes completely fine. In fact the most dangerous part for morph vs invoker is before he gets his bottle. If he or a support is able to secure his lane in the first 2-3 mins and he gets a bottle on invoker, he has pretty good harass and kill potential on invoker, especially if creep equilibrium is not on invoker's side. Not to mention his kill potential with suipports is way higher than invoker has with supports. i'm assuming you mean "he gets bottle on morphling" right? mid morphling has to start with tango + salve and some branches, or a full wraith band with pool and bounty rune-salve. on top of a bottle he also needs early boots, then there's wand and drops. the point is, he needs a lot of early farm in the mid lane which you should not allow so easily. like with any mid that starts with little regen, but especially against morphling, you can trade with spells and make it uncomfortable from the get-go because he's going to start with morph lvl 1. waveform at level 2 isn't very good either. it's 3 bottle charges used to be able to have one waveform on the ready. he has to crow upon or shortly after getting the bottle that you have made quite late, so again 30s to 1m of harassing him (without bottle, possibly without boots yet where as you have them) where he feels uncomfortable. if he is particularly good he'll use waveform invulnerability to damage you and dodge your spell simultaneously. only then can he contest you at that point IMO, but he basically has to guess when to waveform that way if the spell used on him is not a slow projectile. | ||
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Kaj
Singapore269 Posts
Man you guys talk like invoker starts with 8+ hp regen, but its not really :D Most invokers will choose to go for like 2 or maybe 3 pts in q before lvl 5, and his regen is really not that impressive as long as u get a bottle on him, Once you get lvl 2 wave form, you can start fucking around with him once u get a bottle using waveform to trade aggrressively. And once invoker is on Q balls, his right click is not really that impressive. And trading spells for invoker is extremely extremely bad for invoker. Because 1) if you can force out a sunstrike or cold snap early, when his spells are shit, it drives his mana pool so low that with abottle u can easily bully him hard, and he wont be able to contribute to other lanes. Every invoker that has used a lvl 1 SS or lvl 2 SS at lvl 3 on me has more than often not lost their lane, because they cant do their forge spirit spam + cold snap, and they have to play scared as fuck, because whenever i see them use a forge spirit, i just wave form at lvl 2 in and right click the forge spirits down, and walk away, its even sweeter if they throw in cold snap because it fucks up their mana pool even harder and screws their laning even more. Honestly, once u get lvl 4. you can wave form in with impunity, as long as he has forge spirits out and u get him and the forge, you kill the forge and hes a sad sad panda. Past lvl 6, u shld just push out waves and wave form in whastever because u get full HP/mana regen every 70secs. I would just push out waves and go farm camp whatever because its more efficient, because invoker cant contest the lane once u have somewthing like wand aqulia bottle, boots at like 7 mins onwards :D | ||
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nanaoei
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bottle on invoker? or who? again I'm assuming you mean morphling. "you guys" or 'you guys talk like' is a misnomer. each time you're referring to people in thread it's just one statement or one person saying something you specifically disagree with. my own recent post is just basic and general advice against morphling @mid and directed towards FFG. he can try trading early levels against his opponents and see how it feels compared to his experience where he let the morphling get levels early. this game the morphling started LVL1 with 4 naked tangoes and 1STR. that is punishable no matter how you slice it. the dude even dies to a max-channeled illuminate in plain sight, later on. | ||
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Kaj
Singapore269 Posts
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Kaj
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nanaoei
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evanthebouncy!
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