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On April 07 2016 10:05 Theoren wrote:
Your opportunity to use replicate at level 6 is lacking. Most of the time on morph you are sitting at just enough mana for one wave form. It's not until you get to level 9/10 and have a pers and aquila that it really becomes useful. You also have to consider that morph and waveform are ridiculous when maxed and by getting it at six it means you are delaying one of them.
i'm certain at 6 the need to morph is limited too. i've already described the whole TP replicate utility that many morph players use. it's fair to say that it delays everything by minutes or less as levels get harder and harder to come by. me saying that a point at level 6 is already value is exaggerating it past the idea of getting it pre-12, which was the case set out by someone earlier in the thread. if it's not even worth a point by then, you just don't value the ulti.
i'd literally argue that it's worth using from the very moment it's available because in the absolute worst case scenario that you are skipping a point in waveform for it--75 damage--the 25 mana and time used in replicating the hero you're ganking already has the potential to make up for that loss in the form of a replicate.
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Only use I see for early replicate is to regen.
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the difference between morph lv2/3/4 is massive, esp in early fights
replicate doesnt do much at 6 unless u need to base
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I'm not much of a morph player (my avatar notwithstanding), but having Replicate available to regen or to more safely farm in a dangerous area seems like it is valuable enough to at least delay points in Adaptive. I don't see why you would delay Replicate beyond 9 (or maybe 10, if you skilled level 1 adaptive to cancel a TP or something). I find it difficult to picture a fight in which you would badly want max Adaptive but not want or need a Replicate, at least to escape to.
Whether to take a point in Replicate at 6 over more points in Morph is a trickier proposition and probably depends on the game and how badly you need to base. I don't see a case for Replicate over Waveform.
(I might also take a point in Replicate if I wanted to bait Doom or something, but that's a niche case.)
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What's the correct order to combo with eblade? Eblade->Stun->Q? Or Eblade Q Stun?
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On May 08 2016 15:02 Birdie wrote:
What's the correct order to combo with eblade? Eblade->Stun->Q? Or Eblade Q Stun?
Eblade projectile flies faster than stun IIRC so both work.
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On May 08 2016 16:14 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2016 15:02 Birdie wrote:
What's the correct order to combo with eblade? Eblade->Stun->Q? Or Eblade Q Stun? Eblade projectile flies faster than stun IIRC so both work.
My question is about whether to stun-wave or wave-stun; perhaps it's situational or doesn't matter though. My guess is that you stun first to make hitting the wave more reliable.
Another question, is there any particular rule of thumb on how much agi or str to keep? Mostly the replays I'm watching show people keeping their strength very low as much as possible and only boosting strength after doing some wave form or their combo, but it seems quite challenging against invoker sunstrike.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On May 08 2016 16:26 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2016 16:14 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 08 2016 15:02 Birdie wrote:
What's the correct order to combo with eblade? Eblade->Stun->Q? Or Eblade Q Stun? Eblade projectile flies faster than stun IIRC so both work. My question is about whether to stun-wave or wave-stun; perhaps it's situational or doesn't matter though. My guess is that you stun first to make hitting the wave more reliable. Another question, is there any particular rule of thumb on how much agi or str to keep? Mostly the replays I'm watching show people keeping their strength very low as much as possible and only boosting strength after doing some wave form or their combo, but it seems quite challenging against invoker sunstrike.
Rule of thumb is simple: you keep just enough strength to survive burst in case you get jumped on.
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On May 08 2016 16:26 Birdie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2016 16:14 lolfail9001 wrote:On May 08 2016 15:02 Birdie wrote:
What's the correct order to combo with eblade? Eblade->Stun->Q? Or Eblade Q Stun? Eblade projectile flies faster than stun IIRC so both work. My question is about whether to stun-wave or wave-stun; perhaps it's situational or doesn't matter though. My guess is that you stun first to make hitting the wave more reliable. Another question, is there any particular rule of thumb on how much agi or str to keep? Mostly the replays I'm watching show people keeping their strength very low as much as possible and only boosting strength after doing some wave form or their combo, but it seems quite challenging against invoker sunstrike.
if i know i can instagib a hero with just eblade adaptive, i'll wave to get into range and cast eblade adaptive while i'm in waveform. other times i'll do eblade adaptive, then waveform to finish them off or get close to finish them off with autoattacks. there may be times where i start close to them, attack them a few times, waveform to dodge a spell and then eblade adaptive to finish them off. u have to play it by ear as each situation is different
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How do you guys feel about that new teardrop item thing for morphs laning? The mana regen alone is pretty amazing for a 225 gold item. Aquila / pers / droplet thing fixes his mid game mana issues and makes it easier to split push deep / dangerously
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how do you have mana problems with aquila/pers in the first place ?
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On May 09 2016 01:05 ahw wrote:
How do you guys feel about that new teardrop item thing for morphs laning? The mana regen alone is pretty amazing for a 225 gold item. Aquila / pers / droplet thing fixes his mid game mana issues and makes it easier to split push deep / dangerously
It's fine if you feel you need it, not everyone does for every situation; it does take up a slot but that shouldn't be too much of an issue unless you run some weird slot-heavy build.
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I feel like morph is one of the heroes that it benefits it the least, considering he has Morph STR. mana regen is nice, but idk i'm sure its not a huge deal.
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On May 09 2016 04:43 Erasme wrote:
how do you have mana problems with aquila/pers in the first place ?
I use wave form for mobility to speed up farming. Find its pretty hard without it
Also helps early game when you sit with 450 hp and there are dangerous ults around
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You can farm safelane + the two camps fairly easily. All you need is two wave every minutes.
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tread switch aquila perse should be enough mana for occasional waveforms.
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Yea I've never had issues with perseverance/aquila. I guess if you waveform the second it's off cd constantly then you'd run into mana issues 
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with enough agi morphed, you honestly don't need to waveform at all bc you're a tommy gun
but ya like emu said, if you constantly wave form to last hit, it'll create an issue. the only time i'll do that is if I know that I've overstayed my welcome in lane. i'll hit the creeps so that my wave form will kill every one on my way out.
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