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ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-27 13:23:24
February 26 2018 18:53 GMT
#101
heros' really good right now, hes one of those heroes that destroys pub games

idk about items

FWIW, here’s what my thought are having played him 20-30 games at 5k in the last month.

- Preferably offlane, as the farmer in a dual lane / with a strong roamer
- astral spirit gives you a fuck ton of damage and movement speed early, so starting boots or oov is actually very good if you have kill potential
- bad trilanes will feed in to you, as people misjudge how much damage you do early
- good trilanes will shut you down
- abuse stacks and creep waves. With a few points in astral, you can throw your spirit in a stack, pull it back while running from their two supports (and putting the spirit through them) and get +100 damage early. You can easily turn a kill attempt or at least trade.

-two main builds I’ve tried:

MS — phase or tranq, drums euls shiva, kinda the classic et stuff. Crank move speed, focus on high mobility and magic damage. MS talent, mag resist talent, stomp talent. Works best when you are trying to stall the game out, deal safe damage, high-ground defence style, generally safe and straight forward et play.

Dps— treads drums echo sny bkb ac. In the right game can be really good. Mid game at lv 15 with the astral talent you can hit for 400 damage. With echo sabre you can almost one shot supports. You can man fight most cores and win because of your aura. It’s pretty funny to have a jug try to solo you and you 3 shot him.

I’ve tried meteor hammer but I think for the price Euls is just better, cause the set up for stomp and the move speed and regen. The perfect stomp in to meme hammer never really happens, and tbh, earth splitter follow up is almost always enough damage to win the fight if you catch them

The MS/magic dmg builds are probably the way to go. He relies on bkb to do anything mid game otherwise.

Oh yeah and obviously you get wand and soul ring regardless
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
March 01 2018 07:22 GMT
#102
On February 27 2018 03:53 ahw wrote:
heros' really good right now, hes one of those heroes that destroys pub games

idk about items

FWIW, here’s what my thought are having played him 20-30 games at 5k in the last month.

- Preferably offlane, as the farmer in a dual lane / with a strong roamer
- astral spirit gives you a fuck ton of damage and movement speed early, so starting boots or oov is actually very good if you have kill potential
- bad trilanes will feed in to you, as people misjudge how much damage you do early
- good trilanes will shut you down
- abuse stacks and creep waves. With a few points in astral, you can throw your spirit in a stack, pull it back while running from their two supports (and putting the spirit through them) and get +100 damage early. You can easily turn a kill attempt or at least trade.

-two main builds I’ve tried:

MS — phase or tranq, drums euls shiva, kinda the classic et stuff. Crank move speed, focus on high mobility and magic damage. MS talent, mag resist talent, stomp talent. Works best when you are trying to stall the game out, deal safe damage, high-ground defence style, generally safe and straight forward et play.

Dps— treads drums echo sny bkb ac. In the right game can be really good. Mid game at lv 15 with the astral talent you can hit for 400 damage. With echo sabre you can almost one shot supports. You can man fight most cores and win because of your aura. It’s pretty funny to have a jug try to solo you and you 3 shot him.

I’ve tried meteor hammer but I think for the price Euls is just better, cause the set up for stomp and the move speed and regen. The perfect stomp in to meme hammer never really happens, and tbh, earth splitter follow up is almost always enough damage to win the fight if you catch them

The MS/magic dmg builds are probably the way to go. He relies on bkb to do anything mid game otherwise.

Oh yeah and obviously you get wand and soul ring regardless


Are there any particular carries you would pick ET to lane against? Or is he picked to help generally in teamfights? Is EB/dagon still good on him or are there other utility items to get aside from ms and shiva?
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3253 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-01 13:37:17
March 01 2018 13:37 GMT
#103
Imo the main reason I don't see right-click ET as viable is because you need that setup for astral spirit to actually do damage. If his lvl 15 talent doubled his bonus damage from heroes he'd be probably viable. But it's basically impossible to hit more than 2 heroes with spirit unless the enemy is sleeping and you don't have time in a teamfight to let your spirit run through a creep camp.

His lvl 20 and 25 right-click talents are insane though, so what do I know.
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ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-01 14:58:36
March 01 2018 14:54 GMT
#104
On March 01 2018 22:37 Archeon wrote:
Imo the main reason I don't see right-click ET as viable is because you need that setup for astral spirit to actually do damage. If his lvl 15 talent doubled his bonus damage from heroes he'd be probably viable. But it's basically impossible to hit more than 2 heroes with spirit unless the enemy is sleeping and you don't have time in a teamfight to let your spirit run through a creep camp.

His lvl 20 and 25 right-click talents are insane though, so what do I know.


It’s not as black and white as that because there are lots of summon heroes in the meta and you can get some pretty insane damage up if they don’t expect it. Heroes like Chen, beast, Lycan, etc. Even in regular games you do 300+ most team fights past 20 mins. In crazy games you can get up to 400. And creep waves get really big late in to the game.

I think the real problem is he needs bkb to do anything. If you get a big spirit off, you have a few seconds to punish them. If you get kited or they have evasion you are pretty fucked. And you are pretty bad until spirit comes up again.

After some more games and thinking it’s probably best just to get 2-3 pts in astral for laning dominance, then go full MS/magic.

100 Dmg echo stomp is actually a lot in a long game and helps push waves out. And earthsplitter CD is actually too good to pass up as fun as perma satanic is.


As far as matchups go, pretty much any agility carry has a nightmare time against ET because you ruin their scaling. Jug, spec, morph, am, pa. And the weaker laners will get trashed by you +1 roamer

Item wise IDK, euls seems like a no brainer. Dagon is great if you are ahead and max e early. I think burst builds are kinda a waste though because his team fight and control is so good, every MS on the spirit makes a big difference for setting up fights
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