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On August 21 2014 17:09 Laserist wrote:
People tend to group up in pubs a lot and rarely know the potential of ET. Revert his spirit damage nerf and I'll play him all night long.
Indeed, without the nerf he would be a high-tier offlaner for sure. As it stands now he is really weak at levels 1 and 2 since he can't use the spirit to last hit anything.
A useful tip I forgot to mention- if you are running from a pursuing team of enemies and they nicely clump together in a narrow corridor for you (this is very common in pubs due to lack of coordination), don't cast your ulti towards them. Instead, cast it in the direction you are escaping towards- this makes it so that if they want to continue the chase they have to take damage from earth splitter, whereupon the slow can either buy you time to escape or for allies to come in and clean up.
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Area depicted- Exit from radiant jungle to Dire offlane
Green- Elder Titan
Green Arrow- Cast your ulti this way
Red- Pursuing Enemies
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Would it be imbalanced if ET's stomp got buffed to no longer be a channel (have it be a cast animation with the same/slightly shorter length instead)?
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Probably, stomp is already pretty good. No one gets it though because it isn't popular right now.
Old standard was 2-4-0-1 into 2-4-4-2. Could probably do that again if he was better in the offlane.
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Hey how does natural order work with the new BKB? New bkb grants 100% magic resistance, but in the past natural order (at least the armor reduction) has gone through bkb, so does the new way everything works mean a BKB'd person under natural order would only have 67% magic resistance?
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Do you still go Soul Ring/Tranquils with Elder Titan in Lane? I used to go SR/Tranqs and get Meka
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Honestly bottle might be legitimate on him. Hard to say 100% without testing, but bottle does seem much better on offlaners in general.
Also I would say no to Tranquils. Arcanes if you are getting Mek. Maybe he goes for Crimson Guard now.
Also the 0-4-4 skill build is probably bad anymore, but have to try it. Stomp seems good to the point where I'd probably go 2-3-0-1 at 6 into 2-4-4-1 at 11. Will try it when I can, but not sure at the moment.
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everyone talks about et offlane but what about 4/5th pos? He needs 0 items, can defend amazingly and setup for things like arrow, lightstrike array etc.
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On September 26 2014 12:59 LeLoup wrote:
Honestly bottle might be legitimate on him. Hard to say 100% without testing, but bottle does seem much better on offlaners in general.
Also I would say no to Tranquils. Arcanes if you are getting Mek. Maybe he goes for Crimson Guard now.
Also the 0-4-4 skill build is probably bad anymore, but have to try it. Stomp seems good to the point where I'd probably go 2-3-0-1 at 6 into 2-4-4-1 at 11. Will try it when I can, but not sure at the moment.
If I'm laning, I get one in Stomp.
But as Mid, I still get max W/E
I think Tranqs is good for the armor and such that ET likes + synergizes with Soul Ring, but with the bottle change. It makes me wonder if it's really worth it now.
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On September 26 2014 14:12 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 12:59 LeLoup wrote:
Honestly bottle might be legitimate on him. Hard to say 100% without testing, but bottle does seem much better on offlaners in general.
Also I would say no to Tranquils. Arcanes if you are getting Mek. Maybe he goes for Crimson Guard now.
Also the 0-4-4 skill build is probably bad anymore, but have to try it. Stomp seems good to the point where I'd probably go 2-3-0-1 at 6 into 2-4-4-1 at 11. Will try it when I can, but not sure at the moment. If I'm laning, I get one in Stomp. But as Mid, I still get max W/E I think Tranqs is good for the armor and such that ET likes + synergizes with Soul Ring, but with the bottle change. It makes me wonder if it's really worth it now.
I believe bottle is essential for most hardlaners that starves mana. Guaranteed rune in every 2 minutes is charming if you can contest which ET may do very well.
Need to try first but my initial thought is, Crimson would be ok-ish on him but I didn't convince on ET to tank most of the damage initially. He has great range in all his spells and need that range to utilize them in full potential.
On September 26 2014 13:01 clickrush wrote:
everyone talks about et offlane but what about 4/5th pos? He needs 0 items, can defend amazingly and setup for things like arrow, lightstrike array etc.
I believe his laning presence is lacking considering other supports, means of securing farm. He needs some items and strong levels to utilize his skills(you need 3-4 points of spirit and 2-3 points of aura, 1 stomp and 1 ulti = level 7-9 ) to be effective imo.
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On September 26 2014 14:12 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 12:59 LeLoup wrote:
Honestly bottle might be legitimate on him. Hard to say 100% without testing, but bottle does seem much better on offlaners in general.
Also I would say no to Tranquils. Arcanes if you are getting Mek. Maybe he goes for Crimson Guard now.
Also the 0-4-4 skill build is probably bad anymore, but have to try it. Stomp seems good to the point where I'd probably go 2-3-0-1 at 6 into 2-4-4-1 at 11. Will try it when I can, but not sure at the moment. If I'm laning, I get one in Stomp. But as Mid, I still get max W/E I think Tranqs is good for the armor and such that ET likes + synergizes with Soul Ring, but with the bottle change. It makes me wonder if it's really worth it now.
Get 2 or get 0. Level 1 stomp is pretty underwhelming and you need 2 to actually hit your ult. You can skip your second point in ult though as it does nothing but +1 second of slow.
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On September 26 2014 13:01 clickrush wrote:
everyone talks about et offlane but what about 4/5th pos? He needs 0 items, can defend amazingly and setup for things like arrow, lightstrike array etc.
Played with him today as a support kinda,it felt it could work with the new goldchanges. I went :
consumables+TQ+SR+Medaillon+Aghs & R>W>Q>E (i favored the stun over the passive and compensated that with buying a medaillon somewhere along the line)
The biggest benefit to me seems his initiationskills and free damagegain without any items in the early game. He feels 2250 gold online earlier then most other initiators. With the more greedy favored drafts & teamfights nowadays, i think ET support could work in certain drafts. To me his early playmaking or saving capabilities as a support feel suppar, somehow your gonna have to draft or play around that weakness.
Aghs is nice to force bkb or let them suffer and loose rax, i guess without a bkb you almost cant win a fight in an aghs-earthsplitter. Earthsplitter could be one of the best highground initiationskills without risking everything, which could be more important in this golden patch.
One day EG, the most greedy team in the world will show us the zai ET, minds will be blown.
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On September 30 2014 08:54 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 13:01 clickrush wrote:
everyone talks about et offlane but what about 4/5th pos? He needs 0 items, can defend amazingly and setup for things like arrow, lightstrike array etc. Played with him today as a support kinda,it felt it could work with the new goldchanges. I went : consumables+TQ+SR+Medaillon+Aghs & R>W>Q>E (i favored the stun over the passive and compensated that with buying a medaillon somewhere along the line) The biggest benefit to me seems his initiationskills and free damagegain without any items in the early game. He feels 2250 gold online earlier then most other initiators. With the more greedy favored drafts & teamfights nowadays, i think ET support could work in certain drafts. To me his early playmaking or saving capabilities as a support feel suppar, somehow your gonna have to draft or play around that weakness. Aghs is nice to force bkb or let them suffer and loose rax, i guess without a bkb you almost cant win a fight in an aghs-earthsplitter. Earthsplitter could be one of the best highground initiationskills without risking everything, which could be more important in this golden patch. One day EG, the most greedy team in the world will show us the zai ET, minds will be blown.
Back when his aura and spirit were broken (aura would be applied before damage) NaVi used to run him as a support a lot.
With the buffs to the lower levels of his aura maybe we could see that come back, but it all depends on how greedy people feel they can be this patch.
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This hero is sleeper OP. Before 6.82, certain heroes could afford to stand in the Earth Splitter crack to keep their position in exchange of taking damage. Now you can get Aghs on him and make them learn the hard way.
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Aghs doesnt really feel worthwhile on ET. Disarm is pretty cool but I'd rather get other items
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It's an amazing novelty for sure, but the huge problem is how challenging it can be to land Earth Splitter. If you miss your earth splitter you essentially wasted 4200 gold on that aghanims scepter. I find it worth the risk when the enemy has multiple right click heroes (common in pubs) such as Lifestealer, Wraith King, Sven etc.
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On September 30 2014 08:54 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 13:01 clickrush wrote:
everyone talks about et offlane but what about 4/5th pos? He needs 0 items, can defend amazingly and setup for things like arrow, lightstrike array etc. Played with him today as a support kinda,it felt it could work with the new goldchanges. I went : consumables+TQ+SR+Medaillon+Aghs & R>W>Q>E (i favored the stun over the passive and compensated that with buying a medaillon somewhere along the line) The biggest benefit to me seems his initiationskills and free damagegain without any items in the early game. He feels 2250 gold online earlier then most other initiators. With the more greedy favored drafts & teamfights nowadays, i think ET support could work in certain drafts. To me his early playmaking or saving capabilities as a support feel suppar, somehow your gonna have to draft or play around that weakness. Aghs is nice to force bkb or let them suffer and loose rax, i guess without a bkb you almost cant win a fight in an aghs-earthsplitter. Earthsplitter could be one of the best highground initiationskills without risking everything, which could be more important in this golden patch. One day EG, the most greedy team in the world will show us the zai ET, minds will be blown.
Elder Titan is a terrible initiator. The only time you initiate is when you land the stomp, which relies on either a set up or if the enemy fucks up. Really is kinda dumb if you successfully initiate with stomp. The hero is more of a follow up or acting as a buff.
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I like the aghs against rightclick heros.
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On September 26 2014 12:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Hey how does natural order work with the new BKB? New bkb grants 100% magic resistance, but in the past natural order (at least the armor reduction) has gone through bkb, so does the new way everything works mean a BKB'd person under natural order would only have 67% magic resistance?
Has anyone tested this? Would be a cool abuse.
However my guess is that BKB and magic resist amp aren't bugged given how there are a number of items/abilities that do this. Still possible tho
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On September 30 2014 16:56 Veles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 12:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Hey how does natural order work with the new BKB? New bkb grants 100% magic resistance, but in the past natural order (at least the armor reduction) has gone through bkb, so does the new way everything works mean a BKB'd person under natural order would only have 67% magic resistance? Has anyone tested this? Would be a cool abuse. However my guess is that BKB and magic resist amp aren't bugged given how there are a number of items/abilities that do this. Still possible tho
It is actually "Black King Bar, Repel, Rage and all other previous forms of "Magic Immunity" now grant Spell Immunity status and a 100% Magic Resistance bonus." So spells can do damage to bkb under aura? I mean how many bkb piercing magical damage source we have? Pure will not be reduced in the end and magical damage cannot be targeted to bkb afaik.
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Go test with bane I guess
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