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hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
October 12 2015 18:25 GMT
#161
i dont think there will be roster changes in the near future. the team is fine, they just had a bad day. and lost against a troll draft...
Nikto
Profile Joined May 2014
Slovakia410 Posts
October 12 2015 18:28 GMT
#162
On October 13 2015 03:11 ptbl wrote:
I'm happy we got a dota 2 team, but I wish we would at least strike gold for once and pick up a good powerhouse team. Looks like we are going to see some roster changes in the near future.



why would you call for changes, they had a really bad day, I might even call it a terrible day, but jumping the gun and calling for changes, I don't think so
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
October 12 2015 18:54 GMT
#163
no need for changes, just see how they do in nanyang
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 18:58:10
October 12 2015 18:56 GMT
#164
If anything, recent results favor teams that made few roster changes, even if they didn't have too much success initially (or at least generally played together for a long time, like Alliance).

As for the last game, I never want to watch TvZ again.
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
October 12 2015 19:08 GMT
#165
On October 13 2015 03:28 Nikto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 03:11 ptbl wrote:
I'm happy we got a dota 2 team, but I wish we would at least strike gold for once and pick up a good powerhouse team. Looks like we are going to see some roster changes in the near future.



why would you call for changes, they had a really bad day, I might even call it a terrible day, but jumping the gun and calling for changes, I don't think so


I'm not calling for roster changes right now. I'm just saying it looks like it's heading that way in the near future. When Liquid's new CSGO team played their first couple of games, people were already calling for the team to replace Daps. It was obviously that the team wasn't working out.

You can just tell something isn't quite meshing with the dota 2 team, too. I don't think it's the roles that need to be changed. To me, it looks like some of the players are under performing like Jerax.
Don't mind me
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 12 2015 19:17 GMT
#166
first problem is kuro's drafts sucked (and they will probably keep sucking)

second problem is jerax sucked
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Mackh
Profile Joined November 2010
France132 Posts
October 12 2015 19:31 GMT
#167
yeah draft could have been better, nothing that can't be fixed tho.
They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. Pratchett
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 19:47:23
October 12 2015 19:46 GMT
#168
On October 13 2015 04:08 ptbl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 03:28 Nikto wrote:
On October 13 2015 03:11 ptbl wrote:
I'm happy we got a dota 2 team, but I wish we would at least strike gold for once and pick up a good powerhouse team. Looks like we are going to see some roster changes in the near future.



why would you call for changes, they had a really bad day, I might even call it a terrible day, but jumping the gun and calling for changes, I don't think so


I'm not calling for roster changes right now. I'm just saying it looks like it's heading that way in the near future. When Liquid's new CSGO team played their first couple of games, people were already calling for the team to replace Daps. It was obviously that the team wasn't working out.

You can just tell something isn't quite meshing with the dota 2 team, too. I don't think it's the roles that need to be changed. To me, it looks like some of the players are under performing like Jerax.


Blizzard moved towards the Major system, precisely to avoid this disband syndrome. There are 2 more majors + international coming up, no need to jump the gun and do hasty roster changes.

FWIW, on yesterday's Kappa Studios cast, Envy, Bone7 and Comewithme(? not sure about the third caster) felt that Team Liquid is currently the best team in EU, ahead of both Secret and MB. Envy felt that on LAN, at best secret had a 45%-50% chance vs Liquid. Keep in mind that these valuations are based not just on tourney results, but also on scrims, so they probably have better insight than us.
Envy fan since NTH.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 12 2015 20:00 GMT
#169
Envy also hyped up the old Liquid in the first month or so (the qojqva/wayto iteration) though

In high pressure situations, it's the unity and composure as a team that matter, and that's usually where teams succeed or fail in the end.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
October 12 2015 20:16 GMT
#170
The 3rd guy on the cast was Beesa. I doubt roster changes are coming, the team has been doing pretty well in recent weeks and in any case it's pretty early to assess how well this team can do. But of course the major was the biggest short term goal, and if they were to do poorly at Nanyang then I wouldn't be that surprised if some of the players wanted to change the lineup. This far you could say that the team was in the "honeymoon phase", and now after they have to face major disappointment they will probably see whether the team can work. Of course it depends a bit also on if some other teams want to change players and there would then be spots on other teams or some free agents available. But on the other hand if they do well at Nanyang then it probably will make them think that they can do well and this qualifier was just them underperforming a bit.
BigO
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden956 Posts
October 12 2015 20:29 GMT
#171
Still think they are a solid team, would have probably ranked them as the most likely to advance to the majors before the qualifiers started. There is still potential for them to be really good with enough practise togheter.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
October 12 2015 20:33 GMT
#172
On October 13 2015 05:00 Talin wrote:
Envy also hyped up the old Liquid in the first month or so (the qojqva/wayto iteration) though

In high pressure situations, it's the unity and composure as a team that matter, and that's usually where teams succeed or fail in the end.

How can they be unified, it's the first months since they're together
E.G. that clock witch doctor coordination fail at roshan
They'll get good at this once they stick together and find their rhytm!


GOGO Liquid, Please no changes!!!
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Nikto
Profile Joined May 2014
Slovakia410 Posts
October 12 2015 20:34 GMT
#173
On October 13 2015 04:17 rabidch wrote:
first problem is kuro's drafts sucked (and they will probably keep sucking)

second problem is jerax sucked


I wouldn't say that the drafts suck, they are just different, they were working out fine, but not today

also ok JerAx underperforming, but also where was MC in that last game ? how many good hooks did he land, 2-3... they should've won that game but they made bad decisions, they either will learn or ...
giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
October 12 2015 23:39 GMT
#174
MB drafts were just better today, that meepo pick was def a draft loss but it happens. Team looked pretty damn good in the group stage and lost to some well executed strategies today. Jerax def has room to grow in this roster but I think they showed their potential and I think a good showing at Nanyang is in the works.
kahir00
Profile Joined August 2015
Iran7 Posts
October 13 2015 04:36 GMT
#175
Can we have KURO back to carry? Kuro can be Miracle of MB, wins us the games!!!! Matumbaman is good, but Kuro is another level. Just bring a new 5, and Kuro back to 1. PLSSSSS LIQUID
Life is Money, Money is Life
lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
October 13 2015 05:45 GMT
#176
calm down this team is the real deal. MB were definitely the better team and they are no pushovers either. just give them a little time because if their performance in the group stages were any indication, i wouldnt be surprised if these guys will be among the very best (if not the best) in the upcoming months
fromis_9 enjoyer
Invoker
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium686 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-13 10:32:19
October 13 2015 10:28 GMT
#177
I really don't like Fata. Never considered him as a good midder(since I first saw him in Mouz 3-4 years ago, C9 days didn't change my opinion either). I'd take some 7-8K pubstar over Fata anyday.

Send Matumba Mid, move Kuro to Carry and replace Fata with a good buddy for Jerax. And then Jerax helps with draft to Kuro(dont know if he does already).
There is no fate, but what we make.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27168 Posts
October 13 2015 12:17 GMT
#178
Lose two series, "disband team!".

I want to punch this site in the face.
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hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
October 13 2015 12:39 GMT
#179
On October 13 2015 19:28 Invoker wrote:
I really don't like Fata. Never considered him as a good midder(since I first saw him in Mouz 3-4 years ago, C9 days didn't change my opinion either). I'd take some 7-8K pubstar over Fata anyday.

Send Matumba Mid, move Kuro to Carry and replace Fata with a good buddy for Jerax. And then Jerax helps with draft to Kuro(dont know if he does already).

Lol you really must hate fata. Everybody can see, that he is super good. Can you explain your opinion?
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-13 13:17:06
October 13 2015 13:15 GMT
#180
Fata its super good, but he is in a weird situation because his signature heroes (Puck and Troll) are just so out of meta nowadays

i dont think he should be replaced at all
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
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