EPTTeam Liquid Discussion - Page 27
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Saechiis
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MirageTaN
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Gear 3rd
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I think their biggest enemy is their pbig possibility to choke in winnable game situations. If they can get this out of the way and kky gets a bit more comfortable in his drafting seat this team is getting scarier and scarier  | ||
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MirageTaN
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LemOn
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WolfintheSheep
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hunter_x
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On December 21 2015 00:34 MirageTaN wrote: Their the new C9 XD they already won a tournament though;) | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 21 2015 02:55 WolfintheSheep wrote: Actually having some Bo3 LAN wins automatically makes them better than every past Liquid team. There were only like 2 LANs a year during the first Liquid iteration, now every random tournament has a LAN final. You had Dreamhack, you had Starladder (which was Europe only at the time), and you had TI. And that was it for the year. Relative to the competition, the first Liquid was solidly in top 4 of all western teams combined, whereas the same can't really be said of the current iteration, at least not with the same degree of certainty. Then again, there's a lot more competition nowadays, but relative to their respective eras, I'd say the first Liquid was closer to the top overall. | ||
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YourGoodFriend
United States2197 Posts
On December 21 2015 17:43 Talin wrote: There were only like 2 LANs a year during the first Liquid iteration, now every random tournament has a LAN final. You had Dreamhack, you had Starladder (which was Europe only at the time), and you had TI. And that was it for the year. Relative to the competition, the first Liquid was solidly in top 4 of all western teams combined, whereas the same can't really be said of the current iteration, at least not with the same degree of certainty. Then again, there's a lot more competition nowadays, but relative to their respective eras, I'd say the first Liquid was closer to the top overall. ... I uh don't even know where to start, but uh um NO? Yeah a whole lot of no, this liquid team can beat anyone on the planet right now, not saying they will every time but they can. Liquid went nuts after winning a set where they were clearly the underdogs and no one expected them to win (I.e. relative to their respective era's liquid's current lineup is closer to the top) | ||
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Saechiis
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Jaaaaasper
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YourGoodFriend
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On December 22 2015 01:10 Saechiis wrote: I don't agree with Talin's statement either. But I also don't agree with all the people who paint the old Liquid as no good trash. People easily forget they had a 17 game and a 17 series winstreak and that TC was consistently a Terrific Carry. I agree that Liquid was a pretty good team, but I was disagreeing with the fact that they were better than the current iteration | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On December 22 2015 06:58 YourGoodFriend wrote: I agree that Liquid was a pretty good team, but I was disagreeing with the fact that they were better than the current iteration I think its really hard to compare teams from that long ago to current ones becuase of how much shit has changed. | ||
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MirageTaN
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DucK-
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On December 22 2015 01:10 Saechiis wrote: I don't agree with Talin's statement either. But I also don't agree with all the people who paint the old Liquid as no good trash. People easily forget they had a 17 game and a 17 series winstreak and that TC was consistently a Terrific Carry. I don't value that win streak high considering that most of it should be online wins? Although the scene then were primarily online events, we have to take into account that every European team had to play on a Lux or USE server if I remember correctly. That alone would imo invalidate that win streak. So it is hard to accurately access liquid's position during that time. I would say that because they were not dominating even though they had a server advantage, and did not perform well in those few LANs, liquid wasn't that good then. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 22 2015 06:58 YourGoodFriend wrote: I agree that Liquid was a pretty good team, but I was disagreeing with the fact that they were better than the current iteration That wasn't the point though, the point was that they were closer to the top relative to the competition at the time during their first year. They were second to only Navi (and nth a little later), and they traded evenly with Fnatic and that's it. I mean it was the only time Liquid got a direct invite to TI. The current Liquid may be able to beat anyone in the world, but they're most certainly not definitive favorites against EG, OG, Secret, Empire, VP or Alliance, they failed to qualify for the Major, they struggled in Starladder qualifiers. Obviously any team playing near the top today will be a lot better than any team from back then, and there were fewer decent teams back then, which I accounted for in the previous post. But I still hold that the old Liquid was closer to the top western team at the time than the current one (for now). | ||
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YourGoodFriend
United States2197 Posts
On December 22 2015 18:55 Talin wrote: That wasn't the point though, the point was that they were closer to the top relative to the competition at the time during their first year. They were second to only Navi (and nth a little later), and they traded evenly with Fnatic and that's it. I mean it was the only time Liquid got a direct invite to TI. The current Liquid may be able to beat anyone in the world, but they're most certainly not definitive favorites against EG, OG, Secret, Empire, VP or Alliance, they failed to qualify for the Major, they struggled in Starladder qualifiers. Obviously any team playing near the top today will be a lot better than any team from back then, and there were fewer decent teams back then, which I accounted for in the previous post. But I still hold that the old Liquid was closer to the top western team at the time than the current one (for now). I'd say the first Liquid was closer to the top overall. I was going off of this, not sure if you meant to clarify that by saying closer to the top of western teams. I would agree with that because at the time the western scene sucked there was only Navi, and Alliance who were really good and then teams with flashes (Empire, Fanatic, Liquid) but today where there are so many western teams who can compete its not even a fair comparison. What I will say is this, the current lineup has a better chance of staying relevant (ability to win LAN's) for longer than any previous Liquid iteration | ||
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LemOn
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f0xteam
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Tephus
Cascadia1753 Posts
On December 27 2015 03:53 f0xteam wrote: did we receive direct inv for minsk?? No, still fighting for a qualifier spot. Games have been delayed cuz of all the lans and travel. | ||
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