EPTToday i realized that TL have problem playing against Huskar. They have something like 1:6 record against the hero and always lose the same way - 1 bad fight ~20 mins into Roshan in to rax push. The only reliable way to win against it still is offensive trilane against it. Lets hope they get better results in the other matches. This is very hard group.
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Today i realized that TL have problem playing against Huskar. They have something like 1:6 record against the hero and always lose the same way - 1 bad fight ~20 mins into Roshan in to rax push. The only reliable way to win against it still is offensive trilane against it. Lets hope they get better results in the other matches. This is very hard group. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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MirageTaN
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
 Such painful 1-2 loses.... | ||
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hunter_x
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rep0man
Australia28 Posts
what a last game | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27156 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
What happens if Secret 2-0s CIS-R? | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On December 04 2015 18:50 LemOn wrote: So as long as secret wins we have tiebreakers at least :O If Secret wins 2-0 I think Secret may go through in 2nd place. I think SL uses a rule where they look at the games played between tied teams, and in that case Secret would have the edge. If Secret wins 2-1 then I think it's either tiebreakers between all 3 or tiebreakers between CISR and TL. In that case the games between the 3 tied teams would be tied but Secret was the only one who lost to Vega 2-0 so they might drop behind the others if that is considered. And if CISR wins obviously they go through. But I'm not sure about the tiebreaker rules. There are some sort of rules here but I'm not sure whether those are what are used for this event. But anyway in those they talk about "personal meetings" being used. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
On December 04 2015 19:40 spudde123 wrote: If Secret wins 2-0 I think Secret may go through in 2nd place. I think SL uses a rule where they look at the games played between tied teams, and in that case Secret would have the edge. If Secret wins 2-1 then I think it's either tiebreakers between all 3 or tiebreakers between CISR and TL. In that case the games between the 3 tied teams would be tied but Secret was the only one who lost to Vega 2-0 so they might drop behind the others if that is considered. And if CISR wins obviously they go through. But I'm not sure about the tiebreaker rules. There are some sort of rules here but I'm not sure whether those are what are used for this event. But anyway in those they talk about "personal meetings" being used. Liquid are 4:5 at the moment CISR - 3:3 while Secret are 1:4 This means that (if the games won matter, not just the match wins) if Secret 2:0 CIS, Liquid is the second team as CISR will be 3:5 and secred will be 3:4. If Secret wins 2:1 then Liquid will be 4:5, CISR will be 4:5 and Secret will be out with 3:5. So tiebreakers between Liquid and CISR. Ofcourse if CISR wins they qualify as second team. So no matter what the rules are we dont want CISR to win  If they lose Liquid are guaranteed a tiebreaker in the worst case scenario, and a qualification in the best. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On December 04 2015 20:42 NInoff wrote: Liquid are 4:5 at the moment CISR - 3:3 while Secret are 1:4 This means that (if the games won matter, not just the match wins) if Secret 2:0 CIS, Liquid is the second team as CISR will be 3:5 and secred will be 3:4. If Secret wins 2:1 then Liquid will be 4:5, CISR will be 4:5 and Secret will be out with 3:5. So tiebreakers between Liquid and CISR. Ofcourse if CISR wins they qualify as second team. So no matter what the rules are we dont want CISR to win If they lose Liquid are guaranteed a tiebreaker in the worst case scenario, and a qualification in the best. You are completely skipping over the part where the rules seem to suggest that they first consider games between the tied teams. In that case the result against Vega wouldn't matter (where Secret lost 2-0 and TL&CISR lost 1-2), and only the games between Secret, TL and CISR would be considered. And if Secret win 2-0 today, they would be 3-2, TL 3-3, CISR 2-3 so Secret would go through with those rules. If Secret win 2-1 then all would be 3-3 so either they move on to different criteria (for example overall map difference, games won etc that you suggested) or just do more games. | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
On December 04 2015 20:50 spudde123 wrote: You are completely skipping over the part where the rules seem to suggest that they first consider games between the tied teams. In that case the result against Vega wouldn't matter (where Secret lost 2-0 and TL&CISR lost 1-2), and only the games between Secret, TL and CISR would be considered. And if Secret win 2-0 today, they would be 3-2, TL 3-3, CISR 2-3 so Secret would go through with those rules. If Secret win 2-1 then all would be 3-3 so either they move on to different criteria (for example overall map difference, games won etc that you suggested) or just do more games. You are right. Here are the rules from the ENGLISH version of starladder rules: 13.1. In case of both teams having equal points, team with personal meetings advantage moves further. - 13.2. In case of this situation for three teams, team with personal advantage moves further. In case of round wins (2-1, 2-1, 2-1) - time rating rule interrupts: - If group finishes with 2-1, 2-1, 2-1 the winner is determined by time ranking rules. - Time taken for win minus time taken for defeat. - Team which has the highest minus result goes to the next round! - So, your task is to win as quickly as possible and to lose as slowly as possible. - Time ranking works only between ranking teams! - Other results in this group don't matter, even if there are techwins. - If there is a team that has a techlose - it takes the last place. Team with all matches played takes the first place, time doesn't matter in this case. - It is prohibited to pause the game during the draft! - 13.3. If it's unsure who advances to next round in your group (equal points), you have to send screens to forum right after the matches are over. Don't hold the time, referees have to make next rounds. - "Team1_defeated_Team2 + screenshot". - Use this example to confirm all your matches in the group. Liquid are - 932 seconds Against CISR (according to Liquipedia) (this means that Vega are + 932) And + 1302 Against Secret ( Secret are -1302) So they have + 370 seconds on their timer. So in order for liqiud to Advance Secret HAVE to win 2:1 and both them and Vega have to have higher value than 370 seconds) And thats not possible as in order for Liqid to be ahead of Secret when they win they have to get +1674 or more seconds against Vega. But if thats the case Vega will be -1674 seconds against Secret and they will overtake Liquid. In other words if those are the rules Liquid will have to go through the last chance bracket. Source : http://dota2.starladder.tv/news/22 | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
 But I'm not sure completely sure if these are the official rules. I didn't find any other ones, but these seem to be sort of general SL rules and it's possible they have a different ruleset for the tournament. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
That's like a fucking Major semifinals bracket. Oh well, at least if we win nobody can say that we sneaked our way into the LAN event. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
top tier | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
The only time they won against it was two days ago when they actually bated huskar pick. Just ban it guys, easy. | ||
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Cascadia1753 Posts
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