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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
January 02 2017 22:18 GMT
#3241
GH officially in Liquid

https://www.facebook.com/teamliquid/videos/1410524952365947/
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
derElbe
Profile Joined February 2009
Germany571 Posts
January 03 2017 07:26 GMT
#3242
welcome! Will he stream though? :D
Hoejja - Bisu - Leenock - TLO
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-09 12:23:24
January 09 2017 12:22 GMT
#3243
hunter is back! Welcome GH btw, he is a great guy;)

Guys does anybody know when we play next? Such a boring time for liquid fans
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
January 09 2017 12:35 GMT
#3244
Starseries season 3 eu qualis i guess.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
January 10 2017 11:01 GMT
#3245
How can we steal Blitz from DC? Whoever blitz coaches turns into a competitive machine lol
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-11 06:39:43
January 11 2017 06:38 GMT
#3246
Well liquid was best, when they only had heen, if i remember it correctly. That was when they won epicenter. With blitz they only got second at manila;)
BreakupBoy
Profile Joined September 2016
Germany171 Posts
January 11 2017 07:19 GMT
#3247
On January 11 2017 15:38 hunter_x wrote:
Well liquid was best, when they only had heen, if i remember it correctly. That was when they won epicenter. With blitz they only got second at manila;)

I'd say placing second at a valve event is a bigger achievement than winning one premier lan event though, isn't it?
(~ ̄▽ ̄)~
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
January 11 2017 09:23 GMT
#3248
On January 11 2017 16:19 BreakupBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 15:38 hunter_x wrote:
Well liquid was best, when they only had heen, if i remember it correctly. That was when they won epicenter. With blitz they only got second at manila;)

I'd say placing second at a valve event is a bigger achievement than winning one premier lan event though, isn't it?

My post wasnt fully serious. It also depends how you look at it. At epicenter they were dominant from the start, and managed to finish the job. At manila they had a bad start, but were able to come back, and got better every match. I prefer the 1st place finish though, all the top teams were there too. But Blitz is great, would love to have him back
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
January 11 2017 10:07 GMT
#3249
On January 11 2017 16:19 BreakupBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 15:38 hunter_x wrote:
Well liquid was best, when they only had heen, if i remember it correctly. That was when they won epicenter. With blitz they only got second at manila;)

I'd say placing second at a valve event is a bigger achievement than winning one premier lan event though, isn't it?

They're both valuable in different ways. In terms of money and maybe prestige a Valve event is obviously more valuable than a third party one. But personally I think that actually winning a premier event with as many decent teams as EPICENTER had at the time is a very big achievement for a team. That's potentially maybe more valuable to them for their confidence, their belief in themselves and their development as a team.

When you're in a big team with a decent amount of potential and expect a good placement in every tournament but you haven't won yet, at some point you kinda need to prove to yourself that you do have it. That you have what it takes to win. Always falling short can lead to severe morale issues that are very hard to fix and can create friction in a team you don't think would need to worry about it.

I've been on teams in a different sport where despite objectively being a great team we felt awful because we failed to close things out too often when it mattered which eventually led to significant changes.

Not saying this is necessarily relevant for Liquid under Blitz or Heen, but sometimes it is more important that a coach makes you win or that a team wins instead of being runner-up in a bigger and more important competition.
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
January 11 2017 13:44 GMT
#3250
There's a big difference between a sports coach and a dota coach tho. A dota coach is more of a consultant with basically no authority
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
Anamorph
Profile Joined September 2015
236 Posts
January 13 2017 21:42 GMT
#3251
Has something changed with the tournament system in the past?
I remember times, when I could see all the teams playing tournaments each weekend.

Now it is just boring, I cant even remember when I saw liquid playing the last time. All is centered around the majors and thats pretty much it.

As a dota fan its horrible.

hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
January 13 2017 22:15 GMT
#3252
Agreed. I remember when i came home from work and almost every evening there was a good pro match to watch...
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 11:41:53
January 17 2017 11:41 GMT
#3253
Its called money. In the past they were forced to play each week because the winnings were 10k for first prize.
Now you place good in one premium tournament and you are good for months. Even qualifying for a big tournament is enough to earn you at least $5k / player.
Now they choose only the tournaments with biggest prize pools / game played. And that's why we don't we see much games played. That's normal for the players to do, but very bad for us as a fans.
giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
January 17 2017 18:43 GMT
#3254
On January 17 2017 20:41 NInoff wrote:
Its called money. In the past they were forced to play each week because the winnings were 10k for first prize.
Now you place good in one premium tournament and you are good for months. Even qualifying for a big tournament is enough to earn you at least $5k / player.
Now they choose only the tournaments with biggest prize pools / game played. And that's why we don't we see much games played. That's normal for the players to do, but very bad for us as a fans.

Your reasoning is sound, but there simply haven't been any tournaments for them lately. They lost out on qualifying for most of the recent ones and the new qualifiers haven't started yet because of the holidays. Since the major I think the only new qualifier has been starladder which is just starting and liquid is participating in.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
January 17 2017 19:07 GMT
#3255
Yeah there are less tournaments then at the same time a year ago. But i doubt liquid would refuse playing in the smaller ones right now. They need all the practice they can get. And playing official games against other pro teams is the best practice. There are just no tournaments around right now, as giftdgecko said.
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
January 17 2017 21:55 GMT
#3256
Things are looking up for Liquid these days. Kuroky is even on the EU leaderboards now after Matumbaman named his smurf after him!
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
January 17 2017 23:01 GMT
#3257
On January 18 2017 04:07 hunter_x wrote:
Yeah there are less tournaments then at the same time a year ago. But i doubt liquid would refuse playing in the smaller ones right now. They need all the practice they can get. And playing official games against other pro teams is the best practice. There are just no tournaments around right now, as giftdgecko said.

Especially since playing (and winning) these smaller tournaments kinda kicked of their amazing start into 2016.
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
January 19 2017 08:38 GMT
#3258
People are not making smaller tournaments because in order to have some viewers they need big teams to participate. And since most of them wont the organizers just don't bother. Its awesome to have a couple of smaller online tournaments in between the big ones... but unfortunately there aren't any.
caiovigg
Profile Joined July 2014
Brazil1802 Posts
January 21 2017 03:55 GMT
#3259
Pros and personalities started complaining about over saturation, now the scene is basically dead outside of the majors. There is no tournaments because nobody wants to host a tournament that is not relevant to the major invites, just look at what happened with dreamleague
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3441 Posts
January 21 2017 15:48 GMT
#3260
I mean, ESL, Dotapit, DAC aren't exactly Valve majors. Or you meant major as the adjective ?
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