EPTI'm happy they qualified but people treat them like they are again at TI level and they are really not.
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Minishield
Italy145 Posts
I'm happy they qualified but people treat them like they are again at TI level and they are really not. | ||
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warrior4093
100 Posts
On April 03 2019 00:24 Minishield wrote: On reddit everyone seemes so excited about OG performance in this qualifiers. They played well with Ana, better than before with iLTW for sure, but it was far from Tier 1 stuff. Don't get me wrong i didn't expected them to play like a T1 team all of a sudden, but people is just to overexcited. I think the team make still tons of mistakes, drafting is still odd, like giving Topson most of the time Pango that is not relly his best hero by far (like when he played only Razor loosing like 9 out of 10 games), and they still make alot of questionable decisions. I'm happy they qualified but people treat them like they are again at TI level and they are really not. that is exactly what most of the people like u said before TI and we all know what happened and then they put all of it on luck as if every team has got to win TI by luck, OG is a Tier 1 team with ana back, and even T1 teams make mistake but its fine, thats how they learn, there is a reason ur neither a professional caste or critic. If u got solid argument , present it in raw fact form not "they are not T1 cause i think so" . Every teams has earned every title they won. | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On April 03 2019 00:24 Minishield wrote: On reddit everyone seemes so excited about OG performance in this qualifiers. They played well with Ana, better than before with iLTW for sure, but it was far from Tier 1 stuff. Don't get me wrong i didn't expected them to play like a T1 team all of a sudden, but people is just to overexcited. I think the team make still tons of mistakes, drafting is still odd, like giving Topson most of the time Pango that is not relly his best hero by far (like when he played only Razor loosing like 9 out of 10 games), and they still make alot of questionable decisions. I'm happy they qualified but people treat them like they are again at TI level and they are really not. They showed potential, thats enough to create hype amongst fans | ||
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Minishield
Italy145 Posts
On April 03 2019 01:06 warrior4093 wrote: that is exactly what most of the people like u said before TI and we all know what happened and then they put all of it on luck as if every team has got to win TI by luck, OG is a Tier 1 team with ana back, and even T1 teams make mistake but its fine, thats how they learn, there is a reason ur neither a professional caste or critic. If u got solid argument , present it in raw fact form not "they are not T1 cause i think so" . Every teams has earned every title they won. First of all, this is an OG topic, they are professionals and they entertain us so like every fan of every sport I can say what I think of them without being a professional or an analyst. If fans cannot comment on their team we probably would not have a community at all. Second of all, where did u read I said they didn't deserved TI like every other TI winner? I said they are not at the same level as TI or even before TI, their play doesn't make me feel like they can right now compete at the highest level like they did before. During TI after group stages I was pretty sure they could have won, now I think they are still not there, considering the competition right now. EDIT also you are also saying "no you are wrong and they are T1 cause I think so" without an argument. But for me it's fine if you think like that. I do not. | ||
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YBBUB
70 Posts
No more excuses now, if this doesn't work i think it's just disband for OG. Hope it works of course i love OG playstyile cause is so entertaining... b ut i have a bad feeling. sounds like you are just being over pessimistic for the sake of being a fan avoiding disappointment - and I can totally understand that POV. It's amusing when people (also on reddit) say they've got a long way to go to match 'tier 1' Secret or VP or whatever. Because one could say OG had a 'long way to go' at TI8 groups after losing to both Liquid & EG 0-2 to be 1-5 record in middle of day 2. TI7 Liquid topped group stage & then lost first upper bracket series agst IG - did they have a 'long way to go' to be tier 1 then? And OG TI6 topped group stage and were they really 'top of the world'? Mineski won DAC 2018 & bombed after. Many tournaments show there isn't much difference between 'far' from tier 1 and winning the whole thing. 9 days is all it took for OG to rise from 'perceived tier 3' to top of the world. Now we can see in a month's time whether OG is like: (1) the Fly/s4 2018 OG who were owning vs weaker EU teams, still managing to make it to upper bracket in the latter majors but stagnating in bad playstyle (2) TI8 qualifiers OG - which still dominated weaker teams but had better playstyle & then developed much much further. They were equal to Liquid just now - something that (1) above were not last year. | ||
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warrior4093
100 Posts
On April 03 2019 18:27 Minishield wrote: First of all, this is an OG topic, they are professionals and they entertain us so like every fan of every sport I can say what I think of them without being a professional or an analyst. If fans cannot comment on their team we probably would not have a community at all. Second of all, where did u read I said they didn't deserved TI like every other TI winner? I said they are not at the same level as TI or even before TI, their play doesn't make me feel like they can right now compete at the highest level like they did before. During TI after group stages I was pretty sure they could have won, now I think they are still not there, considering the competition right now. EDIT also you are also saying "no you are wrong and they are T1 cause I think so" without an argument. But for me it's fine if you think like that. I do not. i dont think some team is T1 or T2, i listen to castes and critics, and when most of them says its T1, its T1 and for the record, to me personally , a team is T1 if they can qualify for major through qualifiers. | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
 I'm so happy for the boys, beating VP 2-0 in the upper bracket is no small feat. | ||
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Dison92
Denmark142 Posts
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
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warrior4093
100 Posts
On May 07 2019 03:35 NInoff wrote: If they win the event i will be convinced. Until then - its just a lucky day. liquid is also running on the luck fuel buddy, if OG is. | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
On May 07 2019 13:07 warrior4093 wrote: liquid is also running on the luck fuel buddy, if OG is. Maybe these days they are. But they were consistent for 2 years, not just for one tournament, but lets not go there - this tournament appears to have awesome dota in place. Lets enjoy it - we all know that they all will make it to TI. Nothing else really matters. | ||
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Dison92
Denmark142 Posts
On May 07 2019 15:47 NInoff wrote: Maybe these days they are. But they were consistent for 2 years, not just for one tournament, but lets not go there - this tournament appears to have awesome dota in place. Lets enjoy it - we all know that they all will make it to TI. Nothing else really matters. Jesus that's selling OG low, they won 5 Majors in a span of a year and a half, and you claim that they were only consistent for one tournament? Ok. They have won almost the same amount of big tournaments, and have almost exactly the same winnings (In dollars) so I would say that they are pretty close regarding consistency. | ||
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wims80
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On May 07 2019 15:47 NInoff wrote: Maybe these days they are. But they were consistent for 2 years, not just for one tournament, but lets not go there - this tournament appears to have awesome dota in place. Lets enjoy it - we all know that they all will make it to TI. Nothing else really matters. OG is by far the most successful team in tournaments organized by Valve, the biggest tournaments in the game. It's unreasonable to label them as lucky when they have consistently shown that they are best when it counts | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
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Dison92
Denmark142 Posts
On May 07 2019 22:26 NInoff wrote: That was like 3 years ago. After OG traded jerax for miracle they won TI and a tournament - they looked lost for years,and thats true. And it was different roster. It is like saying that Na'Vi will probably win TI this year, as they played 3 finals and won one - so they are the most successful TI team ever.But that was 8 years ago... What are you on about? You said that OG were consistent for one game and that was it, but Liquid was for 2 years. But that makes no sense, since both teams started around the same time (Performing that is) even after Miracle was traded, OG stayed strong with Ana where they Won 2 Majors, a tournament that Liquid hasn't even won once. So you're letting out a lot of bullshit. OG was dominant for almost 2 years besides one major where Secret Won and the first TI they were attending. After the second TI they had a slump until last years TI where they won it, sure I will give you that, but to downplay how dominant they were is just plain stupid. This was done across an year and a half | ||
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YBBUB
70 Posts
On May 06 2019 23:03 sCuMBaG wrote: been busy & just watched replays today - rewatched those critical fights heaps of times - very enjoyable - how the heck does n0tail Abba look so good?Where are all of the OG lovers and haters now? I'm so happy for the boys, beating VP 2-0 in the upper bracket is no small feat. But, I wouldn't get too hyped as VP 2cores no[o]ne/ramses don't win with hero comboes like Invoke/Spec [both needs too much farm & need game too late] or OD/Ember plus a Phoenix?!? Maybe VP can already relax, or go thru LB run or try different OG-type strats - who knows? One can feel if ramses & no[o]ne not ahead early, they can tilt. no[o]ne got tilted at Invoke dead for ages near end of game1 & then early death at beginning game2 then virtually whole team going after pos6 Abba to drop sanity on him but got frickin denied - lmao. If VP were really really serious, it could be Fwd, Fnatic & VP being 'broken' by OG who seem to be on equal footing ingame then suddenly WTH win teamfight unexpectedly with low hp!@! But disappointed OG won't be goin thru TI qualies now. They will be a target by teams & gamedev nerfs instead of underdog. {how to get OG flair?} | ||
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Dison92
Denmark142 Posts
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YBBUB
70 Posts
- damn just realised rest day today -is EG v OG worth watchin? I typically don't like watching losses | ||
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Minishield
Italy145 Posts
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YBBUB
70 Posts
Co-ordination of MindControl DS & GH Nyx & those centaurs were so insane for Liquid such that the hero combo looked OP. But vs Liquid g1 was a big stomp for OG (draft advantage) & series could have easily been 2-0 in OG's favour as I didn't like PA there - Liquid's players could have felt really bad then. With OG's 2 games vs VP & g1 vs Liquid, they went well beyond my expectations. Just a bit confused as I don't know if they want a target on their backs after playing so well & then lose some painfully. [Pango 1st pick stuff-around draft & Secret having 1st 3 picks MK/ES/SK in previous day - seemed bonkers] | ||
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