PSG.LGD Discussion

On May 30 2014 19:00 opterown wrote:
wp, looks good!

On May 30 2014 20:21 GodBlessMali wrote:
I think Rabbit is one of the best players in China. He is monstrous as a carry player, but he can also play the mid role very well (Batrider, Storm Spirit...). Lin is behind the rest of the team, but he has improved a lot ever since he joined.

On May 30 2014 20:52 I_love_sharkpeople wrote:


Agreed! Honestly, Rabbit was an upgrade from sylar. That's saying a lot, given how damn good sylar is. I'd put rabbit up there as one of the top 5 or so carry players in the world, no question. That whole thing when chinese fans were calling for him to be replaced by zsmj or someone a month or so ago just boggled my mind. He's like the best player on the team.

I don't know how behind lin is right now - the guy has improved incredibly fast. If he keeps improving at this pace, he can be a big threat at ti4. And speaking of improvement, yao's really recovered from the slump he got into when he became captain. I think he finally adjusted to his new role, so his play has returned to the level it was before. It's really good to see - I've been worried for awhile now.

On May 31 2014 10:44 Caladbolg wrote:
Rabbit ian't necessarily better than Sylar. Sylar excelled with the true lategame carries that required a 4 p 1 or at least a lot of space. Rabbit isn't as impressive a farmer, but is naturally teamfight oriented which plays into how LGD runs their strats nowadays. He's more versatile and it suits them. Put him in VG, however, and you'll see that in their type of lineup (traditional 2 or 3 core with a hard farmer) he won't excel as much.

Rabbit definitely top 5 though. Burning Hao Sylar Rabbit and maybe Silent.

On June 01 2014 18:09 GodBlessMali wrote:


I'm not sure if I agree with you here because in the current "metagame", it's "rare" to see very late game carries picked. When Rabbit was still in RisingStars, he was very good with some late game heroes such as Anti Mage. LGD's playstyle is not really about the late game, but more about the mid game, that's why he doesn't often play heroes like Spectre.

On June 01 2014 18:09 GodBlessMali wrote:


I'm not sure if I agree with you here because in the current "metagame", it's "rare" to see very late game carries picked. When Rabbit was still in RisingStars, he was very good with some late game heroes such as Anti Mage. LGD's playstyle is not really about the late game, but more about the mid game, that's why he doesn't often play heroes like Spectre.

On June 01 2014 23:15 Fwizzz wrote:
I haven't watched any games of LGD since the departure of xiao8 and sylar.
Any general opinion on rabbit and lin? and how is dd,ddc and yao doing?
also yao is still a qt on par with fy. :p

On July 04 2014 14:34 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
So we are facing Newbee, DK, EG, Arrow and NaVi.NA on the first day. Harsh schedule, 3-2 is barely reachable, but I'll hope for best!

On July 04 2014 14:53 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Arrow has it even worst, could easily go 0-5 on a first day.

On July 08 2014 02:38 I_love_sharkpeople wrote:


I'd definitely favor arrow over navi.na. Arrow's teamwork is much better imo.

On July 20 2014 15:32 rabidch wrote:

missing c9/vg :D

On August 01 2014 10:17 opterown wrote:
I think ZSMJ has a 3 year contract with HGT that needs to be bought out (which is pretty doable)

On August 13 2014 21:19 TanGeng wrote:
imbatv LGD tribute is so good for LGD fans.

Watch it!!!!

On August 15 2014 10:45 rebdomine wrote:
Rumors of the new LGD lineup being: Sylar, Air, Yao, DDC, Faith/MMY.

Yao "Yao" Zhengzheng
Liang "ddc" Faming
Xu "Lin" Ziyang
Liu "Sylar" Jiajun
Lei "MMY" Zengrong
Zeng "Faith" Hongda
Xiaodong "InJuly" Yang
He "Inflame" Yongzheng

On August 28 2014 11:42 rebdomine wrote:
If iceiceice didn't stick in China, LGD would still be my favorite Chinese team. Happy to see Sylar back in LGD. Although I have to say I find getting Inflame instead of Air a bit underwhelming.

Well, Inflame has a chance to get better I suppose, but from what I saw from him during his time on CIS, I wasn't too impressed.

I'll miss seeing Rabbit putting this team on his back though.

On August 28 2014 12:04 Caladbolg wrote:


Newbee at times had to be carried by Xiao8, so I can see Rabbit doing some heavy lifting when Hao goes for too many YOLO plays early on and loses his lane.

On August 28 2014 11:42 rebdomine wrote:
If iceiceice didn't stick in China, LGD would still be my favorite Chinese team. Happy to see Sylar back in LGD. Although I have to say I find getting Inflame instead of Air a bit underwhelming.

Well, Inflame has a chance to get better I suppose, but from what I saw from him during his time on CIS, I wasn't too impressed.

I'll miss seeing Rabbit putting this team on his back though.

On September 20 2014 04:59 Ver wrote:
Has there been any news on why LGD is sucking so much? They have the best support and the best carry but are playing so poorly.

On March 11 2015 00:19 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
from top to bottom: mikasa, sylar, mmy, yao, xiao8 and maybe

lets see what this team can do

On August 08 2015 14:45 haduken wrote:
did anyone notice xiao8 almost tearing up during kaci's interview after their game vs VP

he was talking about how he is at the same place as ti2 LGD and he has lots of regrets about ti2 LGD.

The emotion in his voice was lost in the translation i think.

On August 08 2015 14:45 haduken wrote:
The emotion in his voice was lost in the translation i think.

On August 09 2015 06:23 Nomzter wrote:
Those last few minutes

I really hope all five of them stick together.

On November 19 2015 22:53 Kamille wrote:
Come back xiao8!

On March 07 2016 22:59 goody153 wrote:
This rumored lineup man. I hope this is true.

Best aggressive 1 position, best midlaner , MMY has always been consistent as fuck as a support + the best chinese captain. My only question would be xz since i have no idea how well the dude plays offlane.

Secret 2.0 china version

If this works out we finally get a chinese team that can contest the championship contending western teams at last. Hopefully our west vs east action gets revived.

On March 07 2016 22:59 goody153 wrote:
This rumored lineup man. I hope this is true.

Best aggressive 1 position, best midlaner , MMY has always been consistent as fuck as a support + the best chinese captain. My only question would be xz since i have no idea how well the dude plays offlane.

Secret 2.0 china version

If this works out we finally get a chinese team that can contest the championship contending western teams at last. Hopefully our west vs east action gets revived.

On March 08 2016 02:26 Diavlo wrote:

Every Chinese shuffle there is 1 or 2 Secret 2.0 china version and in the past year all of them failed.
Remember the VG + Hao team, the previous LGD with Xiao8, the IG with Burning and Ferrari?
On paper they were all super star teams and they were all incredibly disappointing.

As for xz, he is good although just like the rest of CDEC he has a pretty small hero pool. China has a pretty shallow pool of good offlaners it's kind of weird.

On March 08 2016 02:32 rabidch wrote:
VG + Hao in 6.83 was top 2 world, but there weren't a lot of big tournaments at the end of that patch. A lot of people forget that...

On November 19 2015 22:53 Kamille wrote:
Come back xiao8!

On March 08 2016 02:26 Diavlo wrote:

Every Chinese shuffle there is 1 or 2 Secret 2.0 china version and in the past year all of them failed.
Remember the VG + Hao team, the previous LGD with Xiao8, the IG with Burning and Ferrari?
On paper they were all super star teams and they were all incredibly disappointing.

As for xz, he is good although just like the rest of CDEC he has a pretty small hero pool. China has a pretty shallow pool of good offlaners it's kind of weird.

On March 08 2016 02:32 rabidch wrote:
VG + Hao in 6.83 was top 2 world, but there weren't a lot of big tournaments at the end of that patch. A lot of people forget that...

On March 08 2016 06:09 Diavlo wrote:


I don't know about the patch but VG and Hao played 6 premier tournaments together. They got :
- 1st at SL where Secret tanked and EG was absent.
- 2nd in iLeague without EG or Secret (and got wrecked by LGD)
- 3d at the Summit behind Secret and EG
- 4th at MDL behind Secret, EG and C9 and at TI5
- didn't place at ESL where they lost to EG.

That's not the results of a top 2 world team.
And LGD did worse than VG in the same period (and let's not even talk about ig).

I'm by no mean saying that those teams are bad but literally every shuffle season they switch 3-4 big names and people call 1 or 2 of the remaining teams "all-stars" and these teams don't actually do any better than they did before.
The worst was after TI4 when every team was "all-stars" LGD with Maybe, MMY and Sylar? All-stars, Nb with Rabbit?
All-stars, VG with fy, Fenrir, Super and ice3/Black? All-stars...

And this team, well I don't know, is Aggressif a better carry than Sylar? I don't think so. Is xiao8 a better support than DDC? I don't think so either. A better captain than ROTK? Yes but I don't think by a huge margin. Is xz a better offlaner than ROTK? Absolutely. But LGD sucked in this iteration so you would need a pretty big improvement for this team to rival the western top dogs.

On March 08 2016 06:09 Diavlo wrote:


I don't know about the patch but VG and Hao played 6 premier tournaments together. They got :
- 1st at SL where Secret tanked and EG was absent.
- 2nd in iLeague without EG or Secret (and got wrecked by LGD)
- 3d at the Summit behind Secret and EG
- 4th at MDL behind Secret, EG and C9 and at TI5
- didn't place at ESL where they lost to EG.

That's not the results of a top 2 world team.
And LGD did worse than VG in the same period (and let's not even talk about ig).

I'm by no mean saying that those teams are bad but literally every shuffle season they switch 3-4 big names and people call 1 or 2 of the remaining teams "all-stars" and these teams don't actually do any better than they did before.
The worst was after TI4 when every team was "all-stars" LGD with Maybe, MMY and Sylar? All-stars, Nb with Rabbit?
All-stars, VG with fy, Fenrir, Super and ice3/Black? All-stars...

And this team, well I don't know, is Aggressif a better carry than Sylar? I don't think so. Is xiao8 a better support than DDC? I don't think so either. A better captain than ROTK? Yes but I don't think by a huge margin. Is xz a better offlaner than ROTK? Absolutely. But LGD sucked in this iteration so you would need a pretty big improvement for this team to rival the western top dogs.

On March 08 2016 16:43 spudde123 wrote:
The rumored LGD roster seems very promising to me. Hard to say of course how exactly they would do, but to me at least it seems like a clear upgrade, both in terms of leadership and player ability.

On March 08 2016 16:25 lolnoty wrote:

Aggressif is a better carry than sylar because he works in multiple metas. Sylar by his own admission struggled in certain metas because they didn't suit him and demanded active, low-farm carries. His own Drama on reddit said he liked this patch because it suits him. Sylar advocates really, really focus on stats far too much and not what is given up or oppertunities lost for those stats. I'm not saying he's BAD, but there's been a trend of people thinking he's the best because he's farming a lot, not dying. Yet his team is losing hard core... there's a link there and it's similar to why people who think rtz/ee are bad carries because they take risks and die don't understand dota. Aggressif is one of those carries that takes the risks, won't put up as much numbers, but will work better around how dota2 is played these days.

Xiao8 is a better support than DDC, and I didn't know it was in question. DDC is another person who has a name at the position, but Xiao8 played a brilliant support for a lot of TI5. Xiao8 is SUCH a better captain than rOTK that your statement just disturbs me completely. Forget the matches Xiao8's team destroyed rOtk in 2014/2015, he straight up outdrafted rOtk in the majority of their matches captain vs captain. Like lose 3 lanes into zero plan outdrafted, and frequently.

This roster is better as a whole than even TI4 newbee (which literally only worked with Xiao8 wrangling the ex-tongfu idiots from throwing constantly, check out the TI4 bootcamp docu) and the past TI5 LGD (which is a success to get 3rd by all measures). I don't think LGD will dominate at Manilla, but for TI think this will be the top placing Chinese team.

On March 08 2016 06:09 Diavlo wrote:


I don't know about the patch but VG and Hao played 6 premier tournaments together. They got :
- 1st at SL where Secret tanked and EG was absent.
- 2nd in iLeague without EG or Secret (and got wrecked by LGD)
- 3d at the Summit behind Secret and EG
- 4th at MDL behind Secret, EG and C9 and at TI5
- didn't place at ESL where they lost to EG.

That's not the results of a top 2 world team.
And LGD did worse than VG in the same period (and let's not even talk about ig).

I'm by no mean saying that those teams are bad but literally every shuffle season they switch 3-4 big names and people call 1 or 2 of the remaining teams "all-stars" and these teams don't actually do any better than they did before.
The worst was after TI4 when every team was "all-stars" LGD with Maybe, MMY and Sylar? All-stars, Nb with Rabbit?
All-stars, VG with fy, Fenrir, Super and ice3/Black? All-stars...

And this team, well I don't know, is Aggressif a better carry than Sylar? I don't think so. Is xiao8 a better support than DDC? I don't think so either. A better captain than ROTK? Yes but I don't think by a huge margin. Is xz a better offlaner than ROTK? Absolutely. But LGD sucked in this iteration so you would need a pretty big improvement for this team to rival the western top dogs.

On March 09 2016 03:38 Diavlo wrote:

Aggressif works in multiple metas? What? CDEC did very well in one meta/ patch and once their heroes got nerfed they kind of sucked. Aggressif was an amazing gyro, Ember and PL but I haven't really been impressed with much else.

As for the captain part, ROTK's teams have done consistently very well despite having him playing in them (and having arguably weaker teammates than Xiao8). Yes I think he's worse but not by a huge margin.

To me this team is the exact same as the ones we've seen in the past, a collection of good players under Xiao8. They have potential like the rest of them but I wouldn't be surprised that they fall flat.

On June 05 2016 03:16 HighTimeDotA wrote:
finally showing some medicore dota. almost threw g2 with that awful dive at t1 but showed great discipline/tenacity at the highground

so much for the tl powerranking lmaoooooooooooooo

On June 11 2016 22:57 HighTimeDotA wrote:
da fuck was that draft vs liquid. timber tb waaaaa. owell atleast got 4th unlike dem haters thought.

On July 01 2017 03:27 Pontual wrote:
I think LGD might peak their performance at TI. I want liquid to win but something tells me that this team will come out of nowhere. Either way this is going to be the most disputed TI ever.

On July 02 2017 04:07 goody153 wrote:

which LGD did you mean ? I've only seen the LGD with Ame perform

On July 02 2017 11:25 Pontual wrote:

the LGD, not the LFY. It'll depend on how they perform on MDL. They've been huge chokers lately.

On July 12 2017 14:59 BASIT7270 wrote:
The drafting has improved a lot(this happened after TI even when Xiao8 was still captain). LGD still 5mans quite a bit in their ever so crisp execution but they also diversify. They no longer play 4-1 all the time but play more dualcore strategies with a wider variety of heroes. DD and DDC are still one of the most solid support duo's in the scene, Yao does great and plays a nice Invoker. LGD thinks a lot more out of the box then they used to(which like I said changed after TI and still does occur).

On July 12 2017 20:26 Julmust wrote:
Edited out the link both from your quoted post, as well as his original.

On July 01 2017 03:27 Pontual wrote:
I think LGD might peak their performance at TI. I want liquid to win but something tells me that this team will come out of nowhere. Either way this is going to be the most disputed TI ever.

On May 06 2018 14:29 Orome wrote:
xNova's such a gigantic upgrade. They feel a lot like a western team in that the whole doesn't necessarily need to be more than the sum of its parts, they're just all really good individually. Chalice and Fy are playing with huge amounts of confidence and Maybe's still a top tier mid.

For now I'd say the biggest question is how deep their comfortable hero pool/strategy pool is.

On May 17 2018 08:37 arghyad1 wrote:
Just when this team looked beyond the inconsistency that other Chinese teams suffer from, They get 2-0'd in 2 series on the same day when they were expected to win or atleast draw both.

This was a very good opportunity of back to back majors with the top 2 DPC teams not participating and Secret out of shape, but now it will be very hard with TNC, Secret and Mineski / Vici / VGJ.Storm / Newbee / OG / IG ahead of them before top 3.

The TI prophecy looks good to be fulfilled though as Vici have stepped up their game big time, and Keen, IG, Newbee, VGJ.Thunder and LFY lurking in the shadows not too behind the top tier teams.

This was a very good opportunity of back to back majors with the top 2 DPC teams not participating and Secret out of shape, but now it will be very hard with TNC, Secret and Mineski / Vici / VGJ.Storm / Newbee / OG / IG ahead of them before top 3

On May 21 2018 11:14 7wig wrote:


You should know by now LGD play better and better as a tournament gets to the later stages. Grats to the team well deserved.

On May 22 2018 10:01 7wig wrote:
No offence to Liquid as much as I love them, but LGD have beaten them quiet convincingly in the past 4-5 encounters they have had.

Regardless I am excited for this years TI it's going to be a great show. The last few tournaments have been super exciting.

On August 23 2018 13:13 DucK- wrote:
LGD's warding game has been the most impressive.

On August 27 2018 00:28 Invictus wrote:
poor fy boy lost his chance at ti8 because lgd just played cockily/with no direction

that turnaround rosh fight in g5 was so bad, it felt like lgd was expecting og to give them a free rosh and ended up being half commital and not wanting to back. the lack of a proper shotcaller screwed them up badly

On August 29 2018 21:16 nanaoei wrote:


i agree the fight was bad, but it didn't need to happen in the first place. watching it live, there were some key moves that led into an obvious roshan call. i started counting from there how long it would take LGD to commit to it and the answer is, at least 5 seconds which would be more than enough time for them to secure that rosh kill for free.

ever since the upper bracket game 3,
to the grand finals morphling game (OG down 2 rax and pressured into base) where ame's team is ready to back out except he waveforms in,
they should have won.
i counted at least 10 times where the game just ends in their favor with the vision that they had, with all the tools they had, and with how they had been playing up until that moment. if they had that many chances to close out a game comfortably, you can imagine that the game is never supposed to get to the state that OG can even contest, break even, and then comfortably overtake fights with their lategame wisp+hero combinations

throughout the tournament and before this TI, i hated this ame player with a passion.
you gave him any heroes with responsibility, like a drow or a void, and he makes bad decisions.
missing gust when his teammate is getting gripped, chrono on your team, or whiffing on a key target when it is made easy for him. you name it. that is why i liked it when they gave him lifestealer, or now TB.
even that wasn't enough. i remember in one occasion maybe game 4 or game 3 in the previous upper bracket meeting where they are about to end game in front of top t3 and mid t3. his team finds key heroes, they are fully stocked with refresher in tow.
him and his teammates struggled against a spectre but they had yet another chance to close out.
ame puts himself into a position where he is forced to use refresher right as his teammates cave on the other team.
what does he decide to do? "oh man i'm down an item, i'm going to kite back while i move one in from backpack."
so he runs away from the rest of his team with no awareness of what's going on and instead of helping on a hexed target on a key hero, he spends 6 seconds running away, or 12 seconds total just getting back to where he was, and they barely miss the kill and the game as his teammates all get wiped from what was the proper play.
it was soul crushing to watch because 4 players are playing their hearts out, and one does not look like his head is in the right place.

in another crucial game where they are highly ahead, a fight breaks out that lasts 20seconds. where is ame? off alone does not even try to show up to cast a gust that would clearly change everything. it is a low commital TP with very low chance of him losing his life and even if his TP was spent bottom, it was done at the same time a fight breaks out. this is all not said in hindsight, it's happening before your very eyes and it makes you fucking wonder what is going through this guy's head.

and it goes to show you if nothing else, that pressure is a real thing.
if ame could claim he was playing at 100%, i'd have nothing to say, but this is me giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was and very well could have been (had the result been different) a main player on the best team at the tournament.
all these key mistakes from LGD made the games exciting. they always played from ahead and OG always clawed back in with great play.
LGD however should be extremely disappointed deep down. those were nearly unloseable conditions in a regular game.

On September 02 2018 02:16 shouldbeworking wrote:
Emotion got the best of Ame. If he could get in the zone they would have won, but he crumbled under pressure. Oh well there is always next year and he could improve. Maybe he should take a break like Ana and come back fresh and mature.

On September 03 2018 05:47 nanaoei wrote:
i'm not even an LGD fan, or an OG anti-fan. the better team did, and will always win. it was just truly, in the moment, a painful thing to watch to see it unfold. some of the easiest decision making things, especially for a player of his supposed calibur completely slipping.

On September 03 2018 14:54 Sapaio wrote:
Why are u so sure that a Chinese team will win. VP was the best team this year but meta and TI pressure made them flop this year. I think playing in Shanghai will put much more pressure on the Chinese teams and makes it much more likely they will flop.

On September 03 2018 23:44 warrior4093 wrote:
none the less, its highly debatable which is the best team but the most important thing is The LGD could not deliver when it was required and that disappointed many fans, not to take anything away from OG ,they did well, But LGD could not reach the same caliber of team fight execution when it was needed most and thats just a simple fact

On September 04 2018 14:25 haxhax wrote:


That's not a fact. It's just easier to look good against weaker teams.

On January 29 2019 19:24 Rufus Dupres wrote:
Maybe taking a break!

Maybe is taking a break for an undisclosed amount of time. Huge loss for LGD as he is by far the best and consistent midlaner China has to offer. Let´s see if this will have some impact on the forthcoming qualifiers.

Hope to see Maybe returning soon. Would be sad if he miss many Majors and/or TI.