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hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
May 22 2018 07:18 GMT
#181
On May 22 2018 10:01 7wig wrote:
No offence to Liquid as much as I love them, but LGD have beaten them quiet convincingly in the past 4-5 encounters they have had.

Regardless I am excited for this years TI it's going to be a great show. The last few tournaments have been super exciting.

I dont know how you come to Liquid at this point in time, they weren't even playing at MDL xD
Also Liquid beat LGD in the epicenter groups, so it was only the last 2 encounters;)
Kelefei2016
Profile Joined August 2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
May 22 2018 09:23 GMT
#182
Fy is a real playmaker now. Charlice is not an outstanding offlaner but fy covered him really well. I not sure how much xNova can help the team but apparently he doesnt pull them back.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
May 24 2018 04:26 GMT
#183
??

xNova and Chalice were gods at Epicenter. They're hugely relevant to the team's success. Yeah Chalice sucked at MDL, but he was seriously sick. Don't take his play there as an indication of his skill level.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-23 03:28:56
August 23 2018 03:27 GMT
#184
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

Looking STRONG

Definitely the most strategic team so far. So much confidence. Counter warding / warding / drafting
Godly captain and coach.

Very happy for Fy. He is not captain material, he should just be a player, what a god.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 23 2018 04:13 GMT
#185
LGD's warding game has been the most impressive.
Bigtony
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1606 Posts
August 23 2018 08:08 GMT
#186
On August 23 2018 13:13 DucK- wrote:
LGD's warding game has been the most impressive.



Their ward game has been maphack level. absolutely unbelievable how good they have been at denying vision and placing obs that do not get killed.
Push 2 Harder
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
August 23 2018 08:21 GMT
#187
As Kuro said in his post-game, LGD looks like the team that adapts to tournament metas the fastest. Doesn't hurt that xNova is criminally underrated, and that Maybe is the best core in the game right now (always been since TI6 in my book).

But FY... he is a man on a mission. OG spent everything on that last series. They (I hope) are gonna get severely outclassed in the winners finals.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-25 06:54:00
August 25 2018 06:05 GMT
#188
OG is getting better and better but LGD threw that game away. Not in the sense that they would have won the game for sure but they basically gave OG the win when Ame bought back-TP. It was such a natural timing for the team to back after that even if they did value tier 4s over Megas.

I thought maybe I misread it but heres OG (Seb first then Notail later) basically saying the same thing:
m.youtube.com

A positive for LGD is that they were in that position but for their sake hopefully they dont become hesistant in other parts of their decision making because of this error.


Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
August 26 2018 12:04 GMT
#189
LGD messed up both in upper bracket final and in final. They have always been sloppy all year long, but this is the time when their glaring weakness bites them the most.

And I would rate ame as their weakest link as he really underperformed especially in the key moments. The examples are :
1. He died too easily as TB against OG in upper bracket final hence his buybacks were gone and OG pushed their way through to the ancient.
2. In the grand final game 4, he bought BKB too late. I understand that he wanted to harness Ana's PL power, but he couldn't do a thing when he was controlled by OG and he himself did not have enough damage to hurt OG.


I expect LGD to boot out Ame in order to win TI9 in their home turf.
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
August 26 2018 15:28 GMT
#190
poor fy boy lost his chance at ti8 because lgd just played cockily/with no direction

that turnaround rosh fight in g5 was so bad, it felt like lgd was expecting og to give them a free rosh and ended up being half commital and not wanting to back. the lack of a proper shotcaller screwed them up badly
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
crocshark
Profile Joined July 2017
139 Posts
August 29 2018 03:47 GMT
#191
Fy is a god but still can't carry Ame feeding frenzy.
If LGD was the most meta team in TI8, OG was the most anti-meta.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44119 Posts
August 29 2018 04:28 GMT
#192
FY is basically Jaedong of dota 2 ?
this is a quote
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-29 12:25:56
August 29 2018 12:16 GMT
#193
On August 27 2018 00:28 Invictus wrote:
poor fy boy lost his chance at ti8 because lgd just played cockily/with no direction

that turnaround rosh fight in g5 was so bad, it felt like lgd was expecting og to give them a free rosh and ended up being half commital and not wanting to back. the lack of a proper shotcaller screwed them up badly


i agree the fight was bad, but it didn't need to happen in the first place. watching it live, there were some key moves that led into an obvious roshan call. i started counting from there how long it would take LGD to commit to it and the answer is, at least 5 seconds which would be more than enough time for them to secure that rosh kill for free.

ever since the upper bracket game 3,
to the grand finals morphling game (OG down 2 rax and pressured into base) where ame's team is ready to back out except he waveforms in,
they should have won.
i counted at least 10 times where the game just ends in their favor with the vision that they had, with all the tools they had, and with how they had been playing up until that moment. if they had that many chances to close out a game comfortably, you can imagine that the game is never supposed to get to the state that OG can even contest, break even, and then comfortably overtake fights with their lategame wisp+hero combinations

throughout the tournament and before this TI, i hated this ame player with a passion.
you gave him any heroes with responsibility, like a drow or a void, and he makes bad decisions.
missing gust when his teammate is getting gripped, chrono on your team, or whiffing on a key target when it is made easy for him. you name it. that is why i liked it when they gave him lifestealer, or now TB.
even that wasn't enough. i remember in one occasion maybe game 4 or game 3 in the previous upper bracket meeting where they are about to end game in front of top t3 and mid t3. his team finds key heroes, they are fully stocked with refresher in tow.
him and his teammates struggled against a spectre but they had yet another chance to close out.
ame puts himself into a position where he is forced to use refresher right as his teammates cave on the other team.
what does he decide to do? "oh man i'm down an item, i'm going to kite back while i move one in from backpack."
so he runs away from the rest of his team with no awareness of what's going on and instead of helping on a hexed target on a key hero, he spends 6 seconds running away, or 12 seconds total just getting back to where he was, and they barely miss the kill and the game as his teammates all get wiped from what was the proper play.
it was soul crushing to watch because 4 players are playing their hearts out, and one does not look like his head is in the right place.

in another crucial game where they are highly ahead, a fight breaks out that lasts 20seconds. where is ame? off alone does not even try to show up to cast a gust that would clearly change everything. it is a low commital TP with very low chance of him losing his life and even if his TP was spent bottom, it was done at the same time a fight breaks out. this is all not said in hindsight, it's happening before your very eyes and it makes you fucking wonder what is going through this guy's head.

and it goes to show you if nothing else, that pressure is a real thing.
if ame could claim he was playing at 100%, i'd have nothing to say, but this is me giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was and very well could have been (had the result been different) a main player on the best team at the tournament.
all these key mistakes from LGD made the games exciting. they always played from ahead and OG always clawed back in with great play.
LGD however should be extremely disappointed deep down. those were nearly unloseable conditions in a regular game.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
August 30 2018 06:32 GMT
#194
I agree AME made the crucial mistakes. Poor fy but you don't always win everything. I strongly believe all of lgd tried their best and can keep their heads high. They were clearly the best team in the tournament. It's just there's this crazy underdog team that refuses to give up.
Plainisgoode
Profile Joined February 2016
Serbia20 Posts
August 30 2018 11:02 GMT
#195
Cut AME some slacks, he was rock solid up the final 2 games of grand finals. His performance on the other majors they won were excelent.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
September 01 2018 05:43 GMT
#196
Which carries in China are available and a direct upgrade on Ame? It feels like a short list. He is pretty bloody good
Sucker for nostalgia
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-01 14:33:47
September 01 2018 14:32 GMT
#197
all the current in form carries in China are about the same as Ame...

none of them have being in the pressure cooker, and all are young so you don't know what you'd get. At least Ame won a few majors and came in second at TI.

Sylar could be a candidate but a) he burned his bridge with LGD, b) he doesn't seem to have the same form as the current crop of Chinese carries or the hero pool

Ame is obviously one of the best that China has to offer, i think by now everyone agrees he did fuck up a few times but that doesn't mean he's suddenly shit tier.
Rillanon.au
shouldbeworking
Profile Joined October 2014
946 Posts
September 01 2018 17:16 GMT
#198
Emotion got the best of Ame. If he could get in the zone they would have won, but he crumbled under pressure. Oh well there is always next year and he could improve. Maybe he should take a break like Ana and come back fresh and mature.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
September 02 2018 08:59 GMT
#199
what does maturity have to do with it? he did fine and has been doing fine.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
warrior4093
Profile Joined November 2017
100 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-02 16:03:58
September 02 2018 15:58 GMT
#200
On August 29 2018 21:16 nanaoei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2018 00:28 Invictus wrote:
poor fy boy lost his chance at ti8 because lgd just played cockily/with no direction

that turnaround rosh fight in g5 was so bad, it felt like lgd was expecting og to give them a free rosh and ended up being half commital and not wanting to back. the lack of a proper shotcaller screwed them up badly


i agree the fight was bad, but it didn't need to happen in the first place. watching it live, there were some key moves that led into an obvious roshan call. i started counting from there how long it would take LGD to commit to it and the answer is, at least 5 seconds which would be more than enough time for them to secure that rosh kill for free.

ever since the upper bracket game 3,
to the grand finals morphling game (OG down 2 rax and pressured into base) where ame's team is ready to back out except he waveforms in,
they should have won.
i counted at least 10 times where the game just ends in their favor with the vision that they had, with all the tools they had, and with how they had been playing up until that moment. if they had that many chances to close out a game comfortably, you can imagine that the game is never supposed to get to the state that OG can even contest, break even, and then comfortably overtake fights with their lategame wisp+hero combinations

throughout the tournament and before this TI, i hated this ame player with a passion.
you gave him any heroes with responsibility, like a drow or a void, and he makes bad decisions.
missing gust when his teammate is getting gripped, chrono on your team, or whiffing on a key target when it is made easy for him. you name it. that is why i liked it when they gave him lifestealer, or now TB.
even that wasn't enough. i remember in one occasion maybe game 4 or game 3 in the previous upper bracket meeting where they are about to end game in front of top t3 and mid t3. his team finds key heroes, they are fully stocked with refresher in tow.
him and his teammates struggled against a spectre but they had yet another chance to close out.
ame puts himself into a position where he is forced to use refresher right as his teammates cave on the other team.
what does he decide to do? "oh man i'm down an item, i'm going to kite back while i move one in from backpack."
so he runs away from the rest of his team with no awareness of what's going on and instead of helping on a hexed target on a key hero, he spends 6 seconds running away, or 12 seconds total just getting back to where he was, and they barely miss the kill and the game as his teammates all get wiped from what was the proper play.
it was soul crushing to watch because 4 players are playing their hearts out, and one does not look like his head is in the right place.

in another crucial game where they are highly ahead, a fight breaks out that lasts 20seconds. where is ame? off alone does not even try to show up to cast a gust that would clearly change everything. it is a low commital TP with very low chance of him losing his life and even if his TP was spent bottom, it was done at the same time a fight breaks out. this is all not said in hindsight, it's happening before your very eyes and it makes you fucking wonder what is going through this guy's head.

and it goes to show you if nothing else, that pressure is a real thing.
if ame could claim he was playing at 100%, i'd have nothing to say, but this is me giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was and very well could have been (had the result been different) a main player on the best team at the tournament.
all these key mistakes from LGD made the games exciting. they always played from ahead and OG always clawed back in with great play.
LGD however should be extremely disappointed deep down. those were nearly unloseable conditions in a regular game.

They are not gods, they are humans and they will make mistake, OG was just much better at capitalizing on those mistakes and turning the game into their favor, there is no point in discussing what could have happened , whatever could have happened , didnt happen and they lost ,At the end of the day OG outplayed them in g5 mid game LGD had all the counters but could not deliver. now the only thing is to look for is upcoming majors and prepare for TI9, LGD can win TI9 if they stay consistent.
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