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opterown
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Thetwinmasters
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opterown
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Day 4: Na`Vi. HGT, C9 Day 5: EHOME, CDEC so to be safe top 12, newbee should aim to take at least 4 of these games. for top 8 (seems unlikely at this stage) pretty much they need to win almost all of these games sigh | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On January 30 2015 23:50 Thetwinmasters wrote: Their drafting is god damn ass rip most of the teams in this tournament have ass drafting. i think newbee are not only ass drafting wise but teamwork. their normally crisp play is completely absent at the moment | ||
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cbk486
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lestye
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opterown
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plus I'm sure losing mikasa and xiao8 has hurt them | ||
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uriel-
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mute20
Canada175 Posts
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
the meta changing. i feel like the meta changing is in essence the downfall of any great team. in fact it feels like it hits the absolute best team the hardest. they invest all their time in finding / playing the best possible meta, once that changes it's like taking someone's strength away. it maybe a bad analogy but how i see it is, if you've trained to punch with your right hand for so long, suddenly only being forced to use your left is going to knock you back. in my observation i feel like the west is slightly always ahead in terms of the meta due to the unpredictability nature of it. while the east is a bit behind in meta for their value in mechanical skill how much impact did losing xiao8 have? while we can all agree that having him allowed for newbee to win TI, i believe xiao8 was also the reason for the failures of LGD being always 2nd place to IG in it's prime. has xiao8's drafting significantly improved BG's odds? | ||
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lookfirewood
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On January 31 2015 14:50 saocyn wrote: while i do believe newbee is at fault for their results i believe other factors come into play as well. first obviously money. dota was a way for them to earn money, they had to work for it, it's the last game you'd want to play after you achieve the largest possible prize pool. the game and work simply doesn't interest them enough obviously if mu and them chose RPGS in spare time. the meta changing. i feel like the meta changing is in essence the downfall of any great team. in fact it feels like it hits the absolute best team the hardest. they invest all their time in finding / playing the best possible meta, once that changes it's like taking someone's strength away. it maybe a bad analogy but how i see it is, if you've trained to punch with your right hand for so long, suddenly only being forced to use your left is going to knock you back. in my observation i feel like the west is slightly always ahead in terms of the meta due to the unpredictability nature of it. while the east is a bit behind in meta for their value in mechanical skill how much impact did losing xiao8 have? while we can all agree that having him allowed for newbee to win TI, i believe xiao8 was also the reason for the failures of LGD being always 2nd place to IG in it's prime. has xiao8's drafting significantly improved BG's odds? Interesting. You might be on to something. I was thinking wth is happening. newbee did so well earlier during the fall. What bugs me the most is that two newly shuffled teams are rock solid in the top so far. Not that I am not happy for EG and Secret, it just feels odd not having newbee in the top. | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
On January 31 2015 22:59 lookfirewood wrote: Interesting. You might be on to something. I was thinking wth is happening. newbee did so well earlier during the fall. What bugs me the most is that two newly shuffled teams are rock solid in the top so far. Not that I am not happy for EG and Secret, it just feels odd not having newbee in the top. not sure about the unpredictability yet. both eg and secret used the same heroes alot in this groupstage (f. e. rtz lycan, zai bb, sf+chen, sf+ld) other than that it looks like alot of teams try to abuse wisp and drow lineups the honeymoon period is working out for them :D i think its great that some of the western teams are dominating right now...the chinese shuffle will be very interesting | ||
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Ultrapwnage
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opterown
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sigh rabbit you're nowhere near worth what was paid ;; | ||
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Ultrapwnage
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molecu
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goody153
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On February 01 2015 01:31 Ultrapwnage wrote: I still consider Rabbit one of the most "skilled" players in china, and I wouldn't say it was completely his fault they lost that game. They have zero teamwork and coordination, it's like they're not even caring about the games anymore. Like Winter put it, I think they're all really frustrated. You can see that by the way they are playing. to be honest while they did not give a shit about the few month before .. pretty sure they gave shit on DAC .. it's a lot of money 1/4 of what each of them got .. that's really so much it's probably a mentality thing .. i remember the phoenix documentary of them they are critical like how other teams describe C9 | ||
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Thetwinmasters
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Ultrapwnage
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On February 01 2015 01:40 goody153 wrote: to be honest while they did not give a shit about the few month before .. pretty sure they gave shit on DAC .. it's a lot of money 1/4 of what each of them got .. that's really so much it's probably a mentality thing .. i remember the phoenix documentary of them they are critical like how other teams describe C9 no, I am pretty sure they do care about DAC, what I am saying is that they played like they didn't care anymore about halfway into the game. And it has been like that from the start, I think they are mostly frustrated with themselves because they know they can do better. hope that makes it a bit more clear | ||
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GiveMeYourtTots
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