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sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
August 09 2016 19:37 GMT
#3841
yeah the boys not in the same page , i think they are feeling stressful.
but i think anyone who fight with ehome will lose.
6nnn
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
August 09 2016 19:37 GMT
#3842
We we're doing kinda fine 'til the first jungle fight, damn
The Real Power~
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-09 19:38:44
August 09 2016 19:37 GMT
#3843
On August 10 2016 03:50 GinNtoniC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2016 03:38 jack_knife wrote:
3 later core out farmed them at early game, afraid to fight, try to avoid every fight still lose. die like a turtle, this game is the worst game i saw.

You're overreacting mate.
They had a good start, played passive and made some mistakes.
"The worst game i saw"? You have either seen a grand total of like 20 games or you're tilted.

We're not out yet.

u know why i was angry? they played too passive, like they were afraid of everything of ehome, they could have given much more in game1, they lost game1 pretty ugly. game2 was better, i don't blame them, just ehome too good.
ironcell
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1127 Posts
August 09 2016 19:38 GMT
#3844
They need a more fast paced style against the eastern teams. I dont know if they are gonna be able to adapt in time, maybe an all-out push strat.
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
August 09 2016 19:39 GMT
#3845
Last game was painful final 10 minutes. hope they can bounce back vs fnatic tomorrow.
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
August 09 2016 19:40 GMT
#3846
On August 10 2016 04:39 lookfirewood wrote:
Last game was painful final 10 minutes. hope they can bounce back vs fnatic tomorrow.

yeah we are not last place at tournament , also we are not out yet
6nnn
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
August 09 2016 19:40 GMT
#3847
The life of an Alliance fan, it can be pretty brutal, but tbh, at this stage I'm kind of desensitized
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
August 09 2016 19:44 GMT
#3848
They played a bit too scared, EHOME are hella strong, prolly will reach the finals, but are humans as well at the end, they had to play less conservative
The Real Power~
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 09 2016 19:44 GMT
#3849
I didn't expect a win but that was brutal. Hope they turn it around in lb to make a top 6 pls
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
August 09 2016 19:47 GMT
#3850
They did have it G1 though. They earned a lead through draft and rotations. I think its all there. I know.

Believe.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12088 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-09 19:55:19
August 09 2016 19:54 GMT
#3851
I agree with the feeling of being scared. They had no timings they wanted to hit and do stuff at.

First game they got a great bristle timing to push on. Did nothing and lost 30 min later on the back of s4 not being able to gank anything due to lack of helpful heroes on the team.

Second game bat got his blink, PA could not fight into the mass stuns yet since supports/other cores could not go in and force them to go on them while PA kites. PA gets Deso, still can't go in since lone druid is still not at timing. When LD finally hit radi timing game was over.

They need to pick some time they are stronger and want to fight. Then do that. 50min + is fine, not this wishy washy thing where 1 of three cores are ready.
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
August 09 2016 19:55 GMT
#3852
I rewatched G1 , we really nailed the laning stage and early game , for some reason we never grouped or ganked and they got 1 kill at a time until they just rolled us , not quite sure why we never applied that gold lead on our cores , one thing i dont like is giving them the SD , it does everything for them , saving ppl , setting up the mirana , SK as well is a bitch to handle.
For me the Mirana/SD are the strong heroes in EHOME , everyone were praising the SK (and they should) but when Mirana has such an ez time hitting arrows with the setup she also does crap ton of dmg via starfall , i think we really need S4 on a farming core , bat is not the pick , falls off way too early. not sure why we stopped picking Ember , he does everything we like in a hero ...... welp its do or die vs Fnatic and i have really high confidence in the team.
We played well in both games and lost , it happens , OG got WRECKED yesterday by MVP , DC got WRECKED by Wings (aside from that clown fest Pudge/Techies) , we were competitive vs arguably the best team in TI.
we gonna do it vs those greedy fnatic squad , gotta believe!!!!
kishill
Profile Joined April 2015
Switzerland67 Posts
August 09 2016 19:55 GMT
#3853
still believing - fnatic is next - focus boys!
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
August 09 2016 19:55 GMT
#3854
The Real Power~
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
August 09 2016 19:56 GMT
#3855
Every team will look like they got stomped when they stay in a game for too long.
Neither game 1 nor game 2 was a stomp. EHOME were better, but there were many timings that (A) could have hit and ran away with the game.
The teamfight in game 2 were s4 and Loda both just had fresh BKBs was super unlucky (EHOME saw (A) before (A) saw EHMOE and got the jump). Had that fight gone the other way, the whole game could have gone with it.

The margins are very small.
But yes, when you lose 2-3 teamfights and decide to stay in the game and hope for a miracle, it looks like a stomp.
Try to step back a bit from the game and watch the replay objectively. You'll see the game was a lot closer than it came off looking like.

With that said: EHOME were better. They deserved the win.
See you in the Lower Bracket!
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
August 09 2016 20:08 GMT
#3856
On August 10 2016 04:56 GinNtoniC wrote:
Every team will look like they got stomped when they stay in a game for too long.
Neither game 1 nor game 2 was a stomp. EHOME were better, but there were many timings that (A) could have hit and ran away with the game.
The teamfight in game 2 were s4 and Loda both just had fresh BKBs was super unlucky (EHOME saw (A) before (A) saw EHMOE and got the jump). Had that fight gone the other way, the whole game could have gone with it.

The margins are very small.
But yes, when you lose 2-3 teamfights and decide to stay in the game and hope for a miracle, it looks like a stomp.
Try to step back a bit from the game and watch the replay objectively. You'll see the game was a lot closer than it came off looking like.

With that said: EHOME were better. They deserved the win.
See you in the Lower Bracket!


* Absolutely agree, details are really a key factor nowadays for the turning points of a game. It was way closer than it looked. I think the boys need to work on:

1. Mental strength, they suffer too much of "i'll make some mistake syndrome" that often stops them.
2. Discipline, sometimes they rush in a fight even if it's clear a bad outcome just to help each other, they must understand better when it's better to let someone die instead of committing everyone in a disastrous fight.
3. Understand when you have a good advantage and it's time to push it instead of letting it go away (g1 of the serie is a clear example).

my 2 cents :D
The Real Power~
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
August 10 2016 01:29 GMT
#3857
LAST EUROPE HOPE (with Liquid)
The Real Power~
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
August 10 2016 01:41 GMT
#3858
On August 10 2016 10:29 Zea! wrote:
LAST EUROPE HOPE (with Liquid)


Best of luck tomorrow.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-10 07:56:17
August 10 2016 05:52 GMT
#3859
On August 10 2016 04:55 bluzi wrote:
I rewatched G1 , we really nailed the laning stage and early game , for some reason we never grouped or ganked and they got 1 kill at a time until they just rolled us , not quite sure why we never applied that gold lead on our cores , one thing i dont like is giving them the SD , it does everything for them , saving ppl , setting up the mirana , SK as well is a bitch to handle.
For me the Mirana/SD are the strong heroes in EHOME , everyone were praising the SK (and they should) but when Mirana has such an ez time hitting arrows with the setup she also does crap ton of dmg via starfall , i think we really need S4 on a farming core , bat is not the pick , falls off way too early. not sure why we stopped picking Ember , he does everything we like in a hero ...... welp its do or die vs Fnatic and i have really high confidence in the team.
We played well in both games and lost , it happens , OG got WRECKED yesterday by MVP , DC got WRECKED by Wings (aside from that clown fest Pudge/Techies) , we were competitive vs arguably the best team in TI.
we gonna do it vs those greedy fnatic squad , gotta believe!!!!

s4 with ember didn't have a good win rate, they just lack of confidence with this hero. i think timbersaw is the better choice? i agree with you, they shouldn't give them sd. seems yesterday they were afraid of lose but still lost and got outplayed so hard, they played too passive.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
August 10 2016 07:28 GMT
#3860
Sad games, they just look terrified.. Drow strat with no pushes. No smokes or aggressive moves at all. They basically played dota on 1/4th of the map. And don't like the radiant pick, they don't play it as well and their ability to rosh is bad to begin with..
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