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mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
October 04 2014 04:17 GMT
#321
Chessie needs a wider hero pool and needs to learn to cope with pressure. Right now he can't deal with a rough lane he can't fight back or recover, he also can't play against more skilled players without crumbling. Mu completely crushed him, and that was pretty decisive in the series agains nb
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
October 04 2014 10:18 GMT
#322
On October 04 2014 13:17 mordk wrote:
Chessie needs a wider hero pool and needs to learn to cope with pressure. Right now he can't deal with a rough lane he can't fight back or recover, he also can't play against more skilled players without crumbling. Mu completely crushed him, and that was pretty decisive in the series agains nb


That's only one game tho. Everyone's been crushed by Mu Exaggerating ofc, but still!
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
October 04 2014 10:33 GMT
#323
They should pick more DP (i hate that hero with all my heart) but he outclasses Viper during most of the game (which is chessises hero most of the games when Panda gets banned.) , [A] usually gives him away free... which is annoying usually.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
October 04 2014 13:51 GMT
#324
On October 04 2014 19:18 lookfirewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 13:17 mordk wrote:
Chessie needs a wider hero pool and needs to learn to cope with pressure. Right now he can't deal with a rough lane he can't fight back or recover, he also can't play against more skilled players without crumbling. Mu completely crushed him, and that was pretty decisive in the series agains nb


That's only one game tho. Everyone's been crushed by Mu Exaggerating ofc, but still!

I've seen it a lot of times. If chessie gets a free ride mid he usually dominates games. But when his lane is somehow disrupted he's got trouble bouncing back and everything goes Loda's side. It's not good for a team to be overly reliant on a single player
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-06 16:20:40
October 06 2014 16:19 GMT
#325
No alliance games today?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Dota_2_Champions_League/Season_4/Europe

sad panda.

Edit: Gaah, these different times and dates on different places kills me
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
caiovigg
Profile Joined July 2014
Brazil1802 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-06 17:59:13
October 06 2014 17:52 GMT
#326


Looks like h4nn1 is the standin. There was something among these lines on sing stream(he is playing with ar1se) as well
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
October 07 2014 17:13 GMT
#327
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Dota_2_Champions_League/Season_4

Just got back home to watch alliance play vs fnatic and VP, only to find alliance got Disqualified by d2cl. wth happened?
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
DonGrisu
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria697 Posts
October 07 2014 17:28 GMT
#328
On October 08 2014 02:13 lookfirewood wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Dota_2_Champions_League/Season_4

Just got back home to watch alliance play vs fnatic and VP, only to find alliance got Disqualified by d2cl. wth happened?

http://www.joindota.com/en/news/22039-d2cl-alliance-results-nullified
Fnatic 4 Ever...!!
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
October 07 2014 17:56 GMT
#329
On October 08 2014 02:28 DonGrisu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 02:13 lookfirewood wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Dota_2_Champions_League/Season_4

Just got back home to watch alliance play vs fnatic and VP, only to find alliance got Disqualified by d2cl. wth happened?

http://www.joindota.com/en/news/22039-d2cl-alliance-results-nullified

I see. Well that wasn't that dramatic!
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11755 Posts
October 09 2014 22:36 GMT
#330
Why did Alliance go back to 4+1 when they had a successful period of 2 core?
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
October 09 2014 23:10 GMT
#331
Very very entertaining game.
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
October 10 2014 07:36 GMT
#332
Really cool games at ESL. Nice to see them do the 4p1 and Loda doing some heavy carrying. Seeing Akke with this much farm is something I'll have to get used to. He's a beast with and without gold it seems. Shame the Bulldonger didnt pull through. But I cant remember the last time he had a horrible tournament, so lets blame the jetlag?

Misery legit as fuck.
TheSmokeyy90
Profile Joined February 2012
United States108 Posts
October 10 2014 12:19 GMT
#333
Good showing from [A] last night. One of the most enjoyable series I have seen in a while.
"Just sitting, waiting, wishing..."
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
October 10 2014 12:21 GMT
#334
It's just too bad that this series happened at first phase.

Anyway, alliance played fine. Loda is doing some beastly carrying and misery again is a highlight. The problem yesterday was bulldog, such poor play :/
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11755 Posts
October 10 2014 15:23 GMT
#335
I only saw the first game (fell asleep) and Misery wasn't one of the stronger players in that game. Died 2-3 without needing to due to poor positioning. Maybe improved in game 2-3, don't know about that.
molecu
Profile Joined June 2013
347 Posts
October 11 2014 14:20 GMT
#336
Not sure about this whole "Loda beastly carry" thing. You funnel your resources into one player and it's not that hard for him to shine. Not saying that Loda is a bad carry player, but if their gameplan is making sure Loda gets his farm, he better damn carry this team into championship titles. MVP titles are cool and all, but those are just consolation prizes compared to getting first place.
it all matters
FuzioNda1337
Profile Joined October 2013
Sweden159 Posts
October 12 2014 15:46 GMT
#337
i dont get how ppl can defend alliance, they keep on doing things that are so greedy and dumb during pickphase placing themselves in the hard situations.

Themselves with picks, their individuall skill is never wrong with its their picks period.

bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
October 12 2014 18:30 GMT
#338
On October 13 2014 00:46 FuzioNda1337 wrote:
i dont get how ppl can defend alliance, they keep on doing things that are so greedy and dumb during pickphase placing themselves in the hard situations.

Themselves with picks, their individuall skill is never wrong with its their picks period.



Greedy? they play 1 core lineup (albeit late game but still)... it doesnt get any LESS greedy , Bulldog been playing Clock(not greedy at ALL!) or Beastmaster , both which are there to make space and require no farm (counter to greed) they pick mid to be Viper/Brew/Puck which are very early/mid game heroes which are actually the less greediest mid heroes around.... (you can throw DP which isnt greedy but goes late) , if anything i will say they are picking too SAFE and not greedy at all against a 4 core lineups that gets thrown their way once they pick Naga/Spectre.......
but foreach is own i guess.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11446 Posts
October 12 2014 21:45 GMT
#339
On the contrary, I think they keep screwing up drafts by drafting a timing based push lineup, fail at ending the game at that timing, and then are forced to rat all game. They kind of lost all their drafting advantage they had in TI3. Now they are so reliant on getting Naga/TB, and dragging the game to victory. Back then they had so many ways of winning it was beautiful to watch. It's sad that they just always crumble early-mid game and try to delay the inevitable GG.
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
October 13 2014 13:50 GMT
#340
On October 13 2014 06:45 DucK- wrote:
On the contrary, I think they keep screwing up drafts by drafting a timing based push lineup, fail at ending the game at that timing, and then are forced to rat all game. They kind of lost all their drafting advantage they had in TI3. Now they are so reliant on getting Naga/TB, and dragging the game to victory. Back then they had so many ways of winning it was beautiful to watch. It's sad that they just always crumble early-mid game and try to delay the inevitable GG.


Usually im on board with you , but this time i cant agree, you say they pick Naga/TB/Spectre but fail to execute push lineups ??? ever since 6.82 their main goto strat is the 4p1 with Loda on the super hard carry. with the point of the draft is to go late game and then win , not to push , not to gank , just get late (which is mostly boring i`d say).
i actually miss the hey days where they had great team fight lineups with AB on DS and Kunka S4 , fun times.
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