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wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
June 26 2016 12:41 GMT
#3301
I think that's it for Alliance, RIP
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 26 2016 12:43 GMT
#3302
On June 26 2016 21:41 wims80 wrote:
I think that's it for Alliance, RIP

EU is stacked so... I don't think there is any team aside from OG and Liquid who would end up 1st uncontested.
sang
Profile Joined February 2011
United States251 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-26 12:49:21
June 26 2016 12:47 GMT
#3303
What horrible movement and fights after 4 good games. This is the second game this qualifiers they've been single-handely destroyed by Axe. While having a networth advantage and against a team with superior teamfight, Alliance's passive play once again costs them a game. They just kept allowing Empire to group up and take fight after fight on their high-ground. Axe, DK and LD are not the hardest carries, but Alliance messed up big-time thinking they could play passively and take the game late. Lich is god awful late game compared Phoenix and ES; and Clinkz is not meant to go super late either. You can just see what happens late game: Lich does nothing, Axe practically solo kills Clinkz with two buttons and the rest of the fight is just Empire outlasting Alliance by all their teamfight.

Overall just really bad read of the game by Alliance and poor play to not push their networth lead earlier in the game. There was just no way they were going to win that late unless they were massively ahead. They should have pushed it more early.
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
June 26 2016 12:48 GMT
#3304
Well, win vs PR should be easy, ad finem is harder. But two wins takes them to the bracket at least. So it's far from over. I think they might even make it with 1-1 with some luck. To make it out of this bo1 crap is prob a relief in it self.
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
June 26 2016 12:55 GMT
#3305
This coming game against AF is everything for us, literally EVERYTHING, we MUST WIN THIS, LET'S UNITE JESUS CHRIST
The Real Power~
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-26 12:58:45
June 26 2016 12:56 GMT
#3306
On June 26 2016 21:48 lookfirewood wrote:
Well, win vs PR should be easy, ad finem is harder. But two wins takes them to the bracket at least. So it's far from over. I think they might even make it with 1-1 with some luck. To make it out of this bo1 crap is prob a relief in it self.

I thought so as well just an hour ago but the lose vs Empire really kicks them in the ass. Ad Finem is the most likely team that's going to take over Alliance if they do lose, so losing vs them would be quite awful with both on 4-4 with AF having the head-to-head advantage. /// Actually no, AF would be on 5-3, Alliance really has to win this ///
I still think Alliance has at least the win vs PR in the bag but really, it's gotten a lot more complicated just now
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-26 12:59:58
June 26 2016 12:59 GMT
#3307
On June 26 2016 21:56 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 21:48 lookfirewood wrote:
Well, win vs PR should be easy, ad finem is harder. But two wins takes them to the bracket at least. So it's far from over. I think they might even make it with 1-1 with some luck. To make it out of this bo1 crap is prob a relief in it self.

I thought so as well just an hour ago but the lose vs Empire really kicks them in the ass. Ad Finem is the most likely team that's going to take over Alliance if they do lose, so losing vs them would be quite awful with both on 4-4 with AF having the head-to-head advantage. // Actually no, AF would be on 5-3, Alliance really has to win this ///
I still think Alliance has at least the win vs PR in the bag but really, it's gotten a lot more complicated just now


Yeah i think 2-0 is 100% safe, 1-1 either vs AF or PR as a win will need TONS of luck. finem needs to lose etc.

My heart breaks if they dont at leeast get to bracket. Where i think they will be pretty safe, bo3 n all.
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 26 2016 13:04 GMT
#3308
I think the only two ways for them to get through if they win vs PR but lose vs AF would be ... Escape losing twice in a row and thus them being 6th instead of alliance because of the Alliance>Escape win? Or same thing but with VP losing twice?
You're not going to kick Secret out of Top5 with that lose vs them, same for AF (if the game right now were to be a lose), same with Fantastic five.

And that both sounds like horrible chances so literally all on the line right now. I admit I just got back home so could be I'm missing out on something with that quick check from me
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
June 26 2016 13:31 GMT
#3309
Im still mad about that fight in the middle vs empire. They were all super low and hung around way to long and lost 3, if they wouldve just walked away they wouldve had a big lead with 3 free pickups Oh well, lets win this so were at least in the bracket
-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
June 26 2016 13:53 GMT
#3310
...
thats it, right?
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
June 26 2016 13:53 GMT
#3311
dumpster again
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
June 26 2016 13:54 GMT
#3312
Whatever man
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-26 13:55:58
June 26 2016 13:55 GMT
#3313
They were on the clock with that draft, and with bat doing virtually nothing all game, too few pickoffs that translated into towers or rax in general, there were no way they would win even when ahead in gold.

Breaks my heart that they wont be at TI. Guess they still have wild card chance... dunno..

Also, wth did they think getting that last fight without DP ulti... mad.
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
June 26 2016 13:56 GMT
#3314
They'll probably disband now honestly
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
June 26 2016 13:57 GMT
#3315
I think it's over now... even if they beat PR they got the worst head to head of all the teams .... i don't know how they fucking lost this game
The Real Power~
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
June 26 2016 13:57 GMT
#3316
On June 26 2016 22:56 wims80 wrote:
They'll probably disband now honestly

A possibility, Sad but possible.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
June 26 2016 13:59 GMT
#3317
On June 26 2016 22:55 lookfirewood wrote:
They were on the clock with that draft, and with bat doing virtually nothing all game, too few pickoffs that translated into towers or rax in general, there were no way they would win even when ahead in gold.

Breaks my heart that they wont be at TI. Guess they still have wild card chance... dunno..

Also, wth did they think getting that last fight without DP ulti... mad.

i dont see that happens, unless vp and secret lose all their rest games.
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
June 26 2016 13:59 GMT
#3318
On June 26 2016 22:56 wims80 wrote:
They'll probably disband now honestly

You seem awfully gloom in almost all your posts.
There's two ways to deal with this: Bite down and re-invent yourselves or give up and disband.
Knowing those guys I'd be surprised if they gave up.
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
sang
Profile Joined February 2011
United States251 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-26 14:01:06
June 26 2016 14:00 GMT
#3319
On June 26 2016 22:56 wims80 wrote:
They'll probably disband now honestly


As bad as it sounds I hope they at least do a roster change. Their drafting improved a ton during these qualifiers, but their passive play, inability to punish greed and identify their timings is something that has not changed nor is it something I see them being able to change.
-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
June 26 2016 14:00 GMT
#3320
Guys, if VP loses to ESC we can tie them and we got the h2h. Thats actually not too far fetched, right?
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