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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 09 2016 00:33 GMT
#3061
On June 09 2016 08:59 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 08:08 nayumi wrote:
On June 09 2016 03:17 HeYmaney wrote:
On June 09 2016 01:29 DucK- wrote:
Game 3 was 100% on loda. S4 played OK and could not salvage loda's mistake.


Agreed, s4 was OK and still did some great moves. However, we rarely see Loda top net worth and he is supposed to be the carry. Also during the third game, I felt that they switched wayyy to soon to split push and Na'Vi was just ready to counter this, picking them off one after one.

If you have a Nature Prophet and Sladar in game, then it's pretty understandable that the Sladar will never be the real carry and top the net worth chart. They had a clear plan, 4v5 while Dong does Dong's things. But Loda just didn't get the items required for 4v5. In most cases, I don't feel Crimson Guard is a good enough investment if you don't intend to 5-man all the times. Probably he thought he couldn't get the blink in time to make much difference and resort to playing it safer.


He couldn't, you farm against Batrider/Bounty is suicidal if your supports aren't self-sufficient. They also probably didn't count on Bat being that disruptive that quickly after the start. Honestly, Phoenix made the least amount of sense. They had no combo to go with it, not that effective against Lycan and Bounty's Track; Navi reset the fight at Rosh after initiate on Loda. It was just a bad draft, let's just say Loda gets the Blink over VG, so now he's trying fight with that line up relying mostly on QoP for quick follow up against QW Invoker/Bounty/Bat, that's a risky proposition if any of them gets hit by EMP. Just not a good look unless they get really far ahead which 5 kills isn't all that much.


They could have gotten far ahead because invoker could die easily if he gets jumped on, and qop would have gotten so much farm. Earlier orchid, earlier bkb to control invoker or the back lines. Not forgetting NP. Alliance had potential to snowball out of control.
chairs
Profile Joined June 2015
Singapore120 Posts
June 09 2016 04:43 GMT
#3062
On June 09 2016 09:29 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 03:17 HeYmaney wrote:
On June 09 2016 01:29 DucK- wrote:
Game 3 was 100% on loda. S4 played OK and could not salvage loda's mistake.


Agreed, s4 was OK and still did some great moves. However, we rarely see Loda top net worth and he is supposed to be the carry. Also during the third game, I felt that they switched wayyy to soon to split push and Na'Vi was just ready to counter this, picking them off one after one.


With NP on the team, realistically he should be #2 net worth. Alliance had to split push because loda had no damage, and bulldog went agha. Maybe bulldog could have gone for another build instead, but I'd still say loda needed to do more. He even spent an extra 1.4k to upgrade a crimson. Zero damage from him.


Dying and being forced to buy back at that rosh fight set him back by a lot as well. And by going vanguard first instead of another item (armlet/blink) he had no damage in fights/couldnt initiate fights for the team either..

Was sad to see they couldnt snowball off some early kills.. And i feel like they have do something about their decision making/team fighting around the rosh pit. Seems like most fights they take around that area often doesnt go well for them
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
June 09 2016 18:30 GMT
#3063
I wonder where ive seen our group at ESL before....
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
June 09 2016 19:08 GMT
#3064
On June 10 2016 03:30 bluzi wrote:
I wonder where ive seen our group at ESL before....

Ez this time.
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
June 10 2016 21:17 GMT
#3065
Loda's interview after elimination

http://www.monsterenergy.com/ph/en/news/interview-with-loda-from-the-alliance-at-manila-major
The Real Power~
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
June 14 2016 17:47 GMT
#3066
Weird is this silence from them. Guess they are playing like crazy. At least I hope so. So stoked for ESL.
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
June 14 2016 18:18 GMT
#3067
I was wondering how come we ran LS when the hero was shit , and now that its OP we dont pick it once , its kina werid dont you guys think ?
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
June 14 2016 21:08 GMT
#3068
Well, i hope s4 will pick Brewmaster again after the buffs, he's a monster with that hero :D. For LS, yea i dunno why they never pick it, Loda was freaking good with the hero in the past, mb he got a bit rusty :o
The Real Power~
WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
June 15 2016 11:20 GMT
#3069
Fnatics gonna get it this time.
kishill
Profile Joined April 2015
Switzerland67 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-15 18:49:13
June 15 2016 13:36 GMT
#3070
1d18h nice i am hyped this time i would loooove to see TL, NaVi or OG vs [A]

i am a believer
HeYmaney
Profile Joined August 2015
Switzerland193 Posts
June 16 2016 05:28 GMT
#3071
Damn the wait is so long. TL says 1d+ before the game then I go to sleep and when I wake up it still says 1d+.

Hope Alliance does well, it's the last chance for a TI6 invite.
WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
June 16 2016 06:09 GMT
#3072
On June 16 2016 14:28 HeYmaney wrote:
Damn the wait is so long. TL says 1d+ before the game then I go to sleep and when I wake up it still says 1d+.

I noticed this as well. First time I've seen the sidebar and calender be out of sync .
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 16 2016 06:31 GMT
#3073
Good luck tomorrow!
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
June 16 2016 09:10 GMT
#3074
Thanks racket. Think it's needed but who knows. If all players show I don't think we need luck. But if they are out of sync I believe we need all the luck we can get.
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 16 2016 16:01 GMT
#3075
On June 16 2016 18:10 lookfirewood wrote:
Thanks racket. Think it's needed but who knows. If all players show I don't think we need luck. But if they are out of sync I believe we need all the luck we can get.

Against OG and Liquid who doesn't?
Zea!
Profile Joined November 2006
9589 Posts
June 16 2016 20:39 GMT
#3076
Here we go my friends! Thoughts for tomallow? :D
The Real Power~
HeYmaney
Profile Joined August 2015
Switzerland193 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-17 06:52:21
June 17 2016 06:50 GMT
#3077
Best case for me would be A wins over Fnatic, loses against TL then wins again againt Fnatic. This way we'll see lots of A games ;-)

And finally they win against TL in the finals, just to flame our friend hunter_x.
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
June 17 2016 07:06 GMT
#3078
I think we can take on liquid tbh , we always had a good match up vs them and if we draft a solid lineup we can take them , Fnatic are harder to predict they are way more verstaile in their picks and i feel Alliance are worst when playing on a timer which Fnatic showed they love to do (pick all kind of late game lineups) , so if a Medusa PL comes along against a standard Alliance draft we are in big trouble.
IceBerrY
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany220 Posts
June 17 2016 08:49 GMT
#3079
Brewmaster and Dazzle pick, pls let it work out!
HeYmaney
Profile Joined August 2015
Switzerland193 Posts
June 17 2016 10:04 GMT
#3080
Tough game, fnatic are hard to handle. Early game was awesome. They put so much confusion in fnatic during the laning stage, forcing rotations and stuff. Let's have a strong second game.
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