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sunrazgriz
Vatican City State1573 Posts
On June 09 2016 01:07 Racket wrote: Nice series, well played guys. Looking forward to the next encounter. what ? racket ? this is so wrong , they play bad , and too coward to end the game 30 minute mark at G2. navi outdrafted alliance so hard with that batrider. seem synderen as a coach is a waste. | ||
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sunrazgriz
Vatican City State1573 Posts
On June 09 2016 01:11 GinNtoniC wrote: That was depressing to watch. Still: I'm kind of happy that they lost and lost in the fashion that they did (being outplayed). It's about time Alliance realized that they have to evolve, find new tactics and practise their asses off. They behave as if they're still championship material, openly saying how they felt they deserved an invite to Manila. Long story short: I think the Alliance players consider themselves ~top 5 in the world. I've been waiting for someone to pour a bucket of ice water over them, give them a good slap and remind them it's 2016, not 2013. win a TI quialifier is a good pratice though. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
eg vs secret will never have the same hype | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On June 09 2016 01:11 GinNtoniC wrote: That was depressing to watch. Still: I'm kind of happy that they lost and lost in the fashion that they did (being outplayed). It's about time Alliance realized that they have to evolve, find new tactics and practise their asses off. They behave as if they're still championship material, openly saying how they felt they deserved an invite to Manila. Long story short: I think the Alliance players consider themselves ~top 5 in the world. I've been waiting for someone to pour a bucket of ice water over them, give them a good slap and remind them it's 2016, not 2013. Actually you've probably seen just the Na'Vi games But Alliance have pulled a lot of new refreshing theory-crafted drafts (look at me criticising one earlier in the thread vs VG-R against whom they could just play straightforward). They are 100% Practising new tactics. It just seems especially Loda and S4 need a lot more individual practice, so many times they end up just not farming efficiently or especially Loda being in the wrong positions etc. is not a coincidence. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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bluzi
4703 Posts
I wouldnt mind a team fighting alliance with a DS on bulldog and some Gyro + Ember as cores , strong lanes strong team fight , they never changed it up and it cost them this major , lets hope they can at least have 1 branch to their drafts that doesnt look the same ....... Still i cant fathom how Loda never ran Lifestealer ..... he is such a beast on the hero and its really good now days combos with QoP if they still want to run it. For TI i would practice my ass off on : * Invoker..... still cant run this hero its damn criminal. * Ember - in the right draft the hero owns. * Lycan , such a natural partner to the NP ..... (and invoker if they are going to run it ever). * AXEEEEE - Akke has a great Axe and the hero can easily be your jungler. * Lifestealer if it stays the same...... * Alch. * Earthspirit Overall they lost 2-1 in all their BO3 , so they were competitive , but they lack innovation. | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On June 09 2016 01:14 sunrazgriz wrote: win a TI quialifier is a good pratice though. That's what I'm hoping for. I hope they have to fight through qualifiers and/or play more tournaments overall! | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On June 09 2016 01:27 LemOn wrote: Actually you've probably seen just the Na'Vi games But Alliance have pulled a lot of new refreshing theory-crafted drafts (look at me criticising one earlier in the thread vs VG-R against whom they could just play straightforward). They are 100% Practising new tactics. It just seems especially Loda and S4 need a lot more individual practice, so many times they end up just not farming efficiently or especially Loda being in the wrong positions etc. is not a coincidence. Don't want to start a bitter argument, but I've watched every single official game they've played in 2016. Sure, they sometimes pull out different strats, but every time they have their backs against the wall they become super-predictable and play scared. I love the way they started this series; then they fall back on the "tried and tested" stuff that teams like Na'Vi will pounce upon without blinking. With that said though, I love the fact that they are playing aggressive trilane and using Loda as a 1 pos-leverage to propel Bulldog into a pos 3-->1 lategame carry. That's a very unique thing that they have going and could be well worth exploring further. Edit: What I'm mostly getting at though is the discrepancy between their self perceived skill and their actual skill atm. I think fighting their way through some dirty qualifiers will do them good. I'm reminded of how Team Secret collapsed prior to TI5 when they didn't want to scrim vs other teams (hiding drafts etc) and ended up failing pretty badly. This, of course, is not the same thing, but looking at the teams that have performed the best lately, they've all been teams playing a lot of matches. I won't sit here and pretend that I know how exhausting that is for the players. Perhaps it's mentally really tough to do. All I'm saying is that I think they'd do well to play more official games and "grind it out" a bit more than they have during the spring of 2016. | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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Racket
3023 Posts
On June 09 2016 01:12 sunrazgriz wrote: what ? racket ? this is so wrong , they play bad , and too coward to end the game 30 minute mark at G2. navi outdrafted alliance so hard with that batrider. seem synderen as a coach is a waste. I don't mean they played well, but just as aknowledgment of an enjoyable series (aside from that Naga game, hero I hate). They played well first game, Loda threw game two and game three was an outplay from NaVi (Loda itemization and farm priority aside (farm priority is probably a team decision)). | ||
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HeYmaney
Switzerland193 Posts
On June 09 2016 01:29 DucK- wrote: Game 3 was 100% on loda. S4 played OK and could not salvage loda's mistake. Agreed, s4 was OK and still did some great moves. However, we rarely see Loda top net worth and he is supposed to be the carry. Also during the third game, I felt that they switched wayyy to soon to split push and Na'Vi was just ready to counter this, picking them off one after one. | ||
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kishill
Switzerland67 Posts
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Zea!
9589 Posts
Even if I had a crystal ball, and I knew that the Alliance would not win anything forever I would remain happily at their side, eating the dust because the pursuit of the dream with them would be more fulfilling than a thousand victories with other soulless teams. Next stop, ESL Frankfurt. Never give up, ALLIANCE! | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On June 09 2016 03:17 HeYmaney wrote: Agreed, s4 was OK and still did some great moves. However, we rarely see Loda top net worth and he is supposed to be the carry. Also during the third game, I felt that they switched wayyy to soon to split push and Na'Vi was just ready to counter this, picking them off one after one. If you have a Nature Prophet and Sladar in game, then it's pretty understandable that the Sladar will never be the real carry and top the net worth chart. They had a clear plan, 4v5 while Dong does Dong's things. But Loda just didn't get the items required for 4v5. In most cases, I don't feel Crimson Guard is a good enough investment if you don't intend to 5-man all the times. Probably he thought he couldn't get the blink in time to make much difference and resort to playing it safer. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On June 09 2016 08:08 nayumi wrote: If you have a Nature Prophet and Sladar in game, then it's pretty understandable that the Sladar will never be the real carry and top the net worth chart. They had a clear plan, 4v5 while Dong does Dong's things. But Loda just didn't get the items required for 4v5. In most cases, I don't feel Crimson Guard is a good enough investment if you don't intend to 5-man all the times. Probably he thought he couldn't get the blink in time to make much difference and resort to playing it safer. He couldn't, you farm against Batrider/Bounty is suicidal if your supports aren't self-sufficient. They also probably didn't count on Bat being that disruptive that quickly after the start. Honestly, Phoenix made the least amount of sense. They had no combo to go with it, not that effective against Lycan and Bounty's Track; Navi reset the fight at Rosh after initiate on Loda. It was just a bad draft, let's just say Loda gets the Blink over VG, so now he's trying fight with that line up relying mostly on QoP for quick follow up against QW Invoker/Bounty/Bat, that's a risky proposition if any of them gets hit by EMP. Just not a good look unless they get really far ahead which 5 kills isn't all that much. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On June 09 2016 03:17 HeYmaney wrote: Agreed, s4 was OK and still did some great moves. However, we rarely see Loda top net worth and he is supposed to be the carry. Also during the third game, I felt that they switched wayyy to soon to split push and Na'Vi was just ready to counter this, picking them off one after one. With NP on the team, realistically he should be #2 net worth. Alliance had to split push because loda had no damage, and bulldog went agha. Maybe bulldog could have gone for another build instead, but I'd still say loda needed to do more. He even spent an extra 1.4k to upgrade a crimson. Zero damage from him. | ||
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