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sweatbomb
Sweden469 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On May 11 2016 15:04 sweatbomb wrote: Im sad to see every time the meta moves away from Alliance's signature playstyle and heroes they just look lost and don't know what to do. They really need to experiment more. Not just with heroes but with a completely different style. With how often Dota changes drastically only teams who can reinvent themselves stay top tier. I hope we see something new from them today. Not just more of the same. That's what you get when the team isn't winning through skill, but instead is heavily reliant on strategic part of the game. They had a very powerful strategy which they to their credit discovered, mastered and executed it very well. I actually disagree with you because it appears to me that they are trying to figure out a new strategy and are experimenting, but unfortunately have been getting mixed results. I don't quite understand their obsession with first pick beast master however. | ||
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HeYmaney
Switzerland193 Posts
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bluzi
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sweatbomb
Sweden469 Posts
On May 11 2016 15:55 DucK- wrote: That's what you get when the team isn't winning through skill, but instead is heavily reliant on strategic part of the game. They had a very powerful strategy which they to their credit discovered, mastered and executed it very well. I actually disagree with you because it appears to me that they are trying to figure out a new strategy and are experimenting, but unfortunately have been getting mixed results. I don't quite understand their obsession with first pick beast master however. We will see in the series against OG if they can pull out something fancy. The CoL games were just their normal push strat but with Jakiro and Pheonix. Oh and they are first picking beastmaster because he's the best allround hero in the game atm. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
But getting way more farm from the map through efficiency, gold graph going inevitable their way... And then they start that disastrous impatient gank after getting their items, dreadful play from Loda all game, being out of position... The skill just doesn't seem to be there | ||
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bluzi
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1. Eart Spirit - easiest hero to learn , not sure how they pass on such an amazing support option. 2. Invoker - still not able to play the hero , which in some drafts is amazing. 3. Ember Spirit- unreal that this hero is not playable by alliance , just unreal. 4. Tinker - same , easy hero for a good mid. 5. Bounty #4 vs junglers. Ce la vi. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
I'm not sure how hard are Alliance working these days though, their skill seems pretty low compared to top teams. | ||
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Zea!
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 , please just trust s4 and keep training... that's the only way to go back to the top. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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sweatbomb
Sweden469 Posts
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On May 12 2016 03:46 LemOn wrote: Eh, ES, Tinker and bounty need a lot of practice and skill actually. The first two straight up shit-loads of high MMR pubs and bounty scrims vs good teams. I'm not sure how hard are Alliance working these days though, their skill seems pretty low compared to top teams. They had monthes to learn them , MONTHES , you dont need to keep practice puck non stop do you? its not like they are playing new heroes , you see Fly for example he picked up Earth spirit sometime into the meta , but he did , you see even god damn PPD played CHEN!!! which is by far harder to learn then a 3 spell hero no matter what you say , Ember is alot of skill ? Puck is WAY harder to master , all in all , its hard to master any hero , but they should make the effort , its their jobs , having handicap on not playing meepo is one thing, but to not play a hero like Ember which every other team can run is not acceptable. | ||
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sweatbomb
Sweden469 Posts
On May 12 2016 13:42 bluzi wrote: They had monthes to learn them , MONTHES , you dont need to keep practice puck non stop do you? its not like they are playing new heroes , you see Fly for example he picked up Earth spirit sometime into the meta , but he did , you see even god damn PPD played CHEN!!! which is by far harder to learn then a 3 spell hero no matter what you say , Ember is alot of skill ? Puck is WAY harder to master , all in all , its hard to master any hero , but they should make the effort , its their jobs , having handicap on not playing meepo is one thing, but to not play a hero like Ember which every other team can run is not acceptable. I think they stubbornly think they can still win just playing their signature heroes. But it makes them too predictable to good teams who just easily outdraft and counter play them. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On May 12 2016 13:42 bluzi wrote: They had monthes to learn them , MONTHES , you dont need to keep practice puck non stop do you? its not like they are playing new heroes , you see Fly for example he picked up Earth spirit sometime into the meta , but he did , you see even god damn PPD played CHEN!!! which is by far harder to learn then a 3 spell hero no matter what you say , Ember is alot of skill ? Puck is WAY harder to master , all in all , its hard to master any hero , but they should make the effort , its their jobs , having handicap on not playing meepo is one thing, but to not play a hero like Ember which every other team can run is not acceptable. Earth spirit is, just look at Jerax and compare his play and impact to the meta pickers. You can't just pick that hero without shit loads of practice | ||
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sunrazgriz
Vatican City State1573 Posts
On May 12 2016 06:28 Zea! wrote: Couldn't watch the games but i've read that Loda was drafting... is that true? If so, it's not a good sign, some issues within the team? I sincerely hope not , please just trust s4 and keep training... that's the only way to go back to the top. s4 is the drafter | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Still I get bluzi's point. There's more than enough time for alliance to learn heroes (akke aside since I think he has his own project). I think the major issue isn't that alliance doesn't know how to play them, but that they are try to find their own strategy instead of following the meta. | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On May 12 2016 16:08 LemOn wrote: Earth spirit is, just look at Jerax and compare his play and impact to the meta pickers. You can't just pick that hero without shit loads of practice Is Jerax the best at the hero ? sure , but dont you see the hero it self being amazing in many games and different teams? as Duck pointed out below , you can name many good players with the hero , the point is not pick the Ember Spirit as #1 no matter what like Liquid does it , is to have it in your arsenal to use when its best , so even if you are not the best and can use it no matter what , in certain scenarios its exactly what your draft needs , same as Ember , when he fits he is amazing hero to pick , you dont have to be able to run it in every scenario. When OG outdrafted Alliance yesterday , they just picked heroes that FIT into the draft , they didnt force it , Alliance forced it with #1 Lone druid pick and got in trouble the second they did. | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On May 12 2016 19:34 DucK- wrote: Earth spirit isn't easy. The difference between jerax kaka or mmy earth spirit from cr1t, nofear, Fenrir etc is massive. But it is however not difficult to play a basic earth spirit. You don't need to be able to make crazy plays to play earth spirit. You just need to know how to land your spells. Still I get bluzi's point. There's more than enough time for alliance to learn heroes (akke aside since I think he has his own project). I think the major issue isn't that alliance doesn't know how to play them, but that they are try to find their own strategy instead of following the meta. Its not even the Meta anymore Duck , they got desperate vs OG with that LD first pick, it was sad to see really , when i saw it i almost wanted to close the stream , it was them giving up almost. | ||
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Klowney
Sweden277 Posts
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