EPTdid you guys just forget the lower bracket ? if they could beat orange why couldnt they beat tongfu in a rematch ? Considering they almost won a rematch against the juggernaut that was Alliance...
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Churrass
573 Posts
did you guys just forget the lower bracket ? if they could beat orange why couldnt they beat tongfu in a rematch ? Considering they almost won a rematch against the juggernaut that was Alliance... | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
On May 30 2014 03:10 ForTehDarkseid wrote: You need to evolve into something entirely else to enter TI Grand Finals today. Because last year they didnt ? And TI2 was obivously a walk in the park. Sure level of play increases each year, but it doesn't mean in any way that previous TIs were easier. | ||
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tapes
487 Posts
On May 12 2014 21:28 opterown wrote: sure na`vi don't look their best now, but they didn't look that good before TI2 either right? na`vi have something intangible that just lets them... win. Na'Vi was dominating the scene up till Dreamhack where they lost to mTw in the grand final. That was probably the only tournament Na'Vi didn't win between TI1 and TI2. It's true that they didn't look as good as they had, but Na'Vi today is the worst the team has been in years. | ||
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goody153
44313 Posts
On May 30 2014 03:36 Churrass wrote: I find really funny how everyone talks about pudge-chen like it was not a legit strat and like it was an elimination match did you guys just forget the lower bracket ? if they could beat orange why couldnt they beat tongfu in a rematch ? Considering they almost won a rematch against the juggernaut that was Alliance... Pudge-chen is legit strat since it worked and it was even heavily entertaining to watch but doesn't mean it's fair. And alliance and tongfu are different teams. They pulled of that kind of strat must mean they are not so confident in there chances to win vs tongfu in a normal game. But talking about it will lead to nothing since its already a year ago. | ||
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tapes
487 Posts
 How do I edit posts? Edit: Thanks, didn't notice it. The text should be a bit darker... | ||
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goody153
44313 Posts
On May 30 2014 04:14 tapes wrote: By the way, this is the first time Na'Vi hasn't had a roster change between TIs How do I edit posts? there is a edit button below your post .. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
On May 30 2014 04:07 tapes wrote: Na'Vi was dominating the scene up till Dreamhack where they lost to mTw in the grand final. That was probably the only tournament Na'Vi didn't win between TI1 and TI2. It's true that they didn't look as good as they had, but Na'Vi today is the worst the team has been in years. to be fair, after TI3, there hasnt been a single really dominant team, for some time VG looked indestrucible, after that DK, NaVi after TI3 in EU, nowadays Newbee looks like the best team, but just from a month ago or so, in fact some time ago they didnt looked particulalry impressive. Dota 2 with the lastest patches has becoming a really REALLY volatile game, teams dominate for a month or two and fell down hard, i dont knwo if its the problem of the patches but the way the game is changing (almost every patch changes A LOT from the game, i would dare to say more so than the oldest patches) so teams have to re-learn the game constantly, which end up putting some teams in weird positions (Alliance for example). | ||
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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Coppii
Norway57 Posts
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
On May 30 2014 04:44 Faruko wrote: to be fair, after TI3, there hasnt been a single really dominant team, for some time VG looked indestrucible, after that DK, NaVi after TI3 in EU, nowadays Newbee looks like the best team, but just from a month ago or so, in fact some time ago they didnt looked particulalry impressive. Dota 2 with the lastest patches has becoming a really REALLY volatile game, teams dominate for a month or two and fell down hard, i dont knwo if its the problem of the patches but the way the game is changing (almost every patch changes A LOT from the game, i would dare to say more so than the oldest patches) so teams have to re-learn the game constantly, which end up putting some teams in weird positions (Alliance for example). Last patch hasn't changed much. We can't compare Dota 2 to a game like SC2 which often jumps the gun on patching. Oftentimes, patches take a long time to get figured out and the transition between "top" teams isn't as volatile as most people think. Na'Vi is just as skilled as before, the other teams have just gotten better and they (Na'Vi) haven't improved enough to continue their dominance. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11449 Posts
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Nymzee
3929 Posts
On May 30 2014 19:17 DucK- wrote: I think the reason for their slump is their complacent attitude, and general lack of practice. As in they are not working hard enough, which means they kinda deserve it. agree, and it would be a wake up call if they flopped @ the summit and ESL. they alrdy failed to qualify for Dreamleague which in itself is kinda sad | ||
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weiliem
2073 Posts
On May 30 2014 03:36 Churrass wrote: I find really funny how everyone talks about pudge-chen like it was not a legit strat and like it was an elimination match did you guys just forget the lower bracket ? if they could beat orange why couldnt they beat tongfu in a rematch ? Considering they almost won a rematch against the juggernaut that was Alliance... I find your comment even funnier. like seriously LOL! I dont wanna get into whether the pudge chen bug abuse was a legit strat as it will just lead to a long drag on argument. But to say that Navi should beat tongfu in a rematch because they beat orange? And because they almost won a rematch against Alliance? Wtf? Dota is not maths, A>B and B>C does not mean A>C. And at that level, any team can beat each other. In TI3, To say that because u think Navi could've beaten tongfu in a rematch thats why they deserve to advance is even more ridiculous, like wtf? How sure are u about that? U can't even be sure that they'll beat tongfu. And tongfu was obviously the better performer in TI3 up til the finals. Their performance in the finals was superb. You are very funny bro.... | ||
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weiliem
2073 Posts
On May 31 2014 05:39 Nymzee wrote: agree, and it would be a wake up call if they flopped @ the summit and ESL. they alrdy failed to qualify for Dreamleague which in itself is kinda sad Well given the talent they have in the team, I doubt they won't be able to catch up in performance til TI. They should be able to catch up after a bootcamp.... | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3319 Posts
On May 31 2014 05:39 Nymzee wrote: agree, and it would be a wake up call if they flopped @ the summit and ESL. they alrdy failed to qualify for Dreamleague which in itself is kinda sad Given that 3 of the 5 players already won a TI, participated in 3 finals and the other 2 participated in 1, I don't really see the motivation to win and try harder being there. 1) Winning the international: been there, done that. Good money to be had on top16 so they will try to go as high as they can for the money but that will only get you so far. They have the potential for an easy top 6 and battle for a top 3. 2) Winning everything else: why bother with 10 tournaments when you can win more just from one? | ||
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reDicE
United States1020 Posts
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SageFantasma
United States383 Posts
On May 31 2014 08:24 misirlou wrote: Given that 3 of the 5 players already won a TI, participated in 3 finals and the other 2 participated in 1, I don't really see the motivation to win and try harder being there. 1) Winning the international: been there, done that. Good money to be had on top16 so they will try to go as high as they can for the money but that will only get you so far. They have the potential for an easy top 6 and battle for a top 3. 2) Winning everything else: why bother with 10 tournaments when you can win more just from one? I really, really disagree with this logic. I can guarantee you the fire is there to win TI. Is it as strong as every other team? Who knows, but I don't think there is any reason to believe that they can't feasibly have as much of a will to win. Their potential motivation is just as great as anyone else's and no-one but Na'Vi has the ability to say what their motivation levels are at. | ||
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
On May 31 2014 14:05 reDicE wrote: Korok is my favorite Na`Vi player. As a person, mine too. As a player, Funn1k man! | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On May 31 2014 14:05 reDicE wrote: Korok is my favorite Na`Vi player. wrong thread dude anyone else thinks navi might have lost their drive to be the best? after 3 ti finals i think id be understandable i guess well see in 2 months | ||
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