ESL One Berlin Major 2023

The new patch is just a week old (or so) and I can't really fathom, which team adjusted correctly!

How often will Muerta been banned?
Will we see a Meepo-Stack?
There is a slight chance, that they will meet in the playoffs, so we could check which NigmaGalaxy player is better: MC or Sumail?

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Anyone of you at location? I couldn't make it this time!

PoulsenB

Poland7711 Posts

April 26 2023 08:16 GMT

Gonna be a wild major with all the new stuff from the patch

xM(Z

Romania5281 Posts

April 29 2023 06:45 GMT

nothing makes sense anymore: lanes are useless because any loss there can be recovered; if a team has no map presence, it doesn't exist(relo, boots, portals, rifts...); sustain is king(look ma, no hands!); snowballing into a win seems unstoppable; dghfxjnhftj'fkmjn]zptmhz]pdthmzgn.

also, op link goes here https ://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Https://liquipedia.net/dota2/ ESL_One/Berlin_Major/2023 (i think it's tlpdized)

KOFgokuon

United States14893 Posts

April 30 2023 11:48 GMT

Definitely a snowball major

Ok_Pineapple_8325

Portugal1 Post

May 01 2023 18:37 GMT

--- Nuked ---

Geisterkarle

Germany3257 Posts

May 02 2023 06:15 GMT

I always get confused by this playoff system ... "you" did well in the groupstages, so you start in the upper bracket. But if you loose, you play against a team that didn't do well in the groups. So, even with a start at the UB, you could get the "last place" of the playoffs! Where is the advantage in that?
Probably a question of time, but let two more teams of the groups to the playoffs and have a proper elimination round, that gives upper-bracket teams a step ahead!

Aside from that, 9 Pandas look good. And MC Tidehunter isn't that bad as told

Again a EG-OEG game coming up! Will start being a classic!

Aerisky

United States12129 Posts

May 03 2023 06:47 GMT

I guess since it's double elimination, you still get an extra life, so it's still an advantage, no? It does suck to be in the upper bracket and crash out by losing two series in a row, though.

As a casual player, the new patch feels weird, like there's so much space and yet so many ways to be caught at the same time

LennX

4549 Posts

May 03 2023 12:05 GMT

What a song from Talon agst LGD

FuDDx

United States5008 Posts

May 05 2023 20:59 GMT

#letsgoliquid!!!

Stoked to be here ! Can’t see the games though no screen near me

stoked for the wins today though!!! And a confirmed TI spot!!

emperorchampion

Canada9496 Posts

May 06 2023 15:49 GMT

#10

Missed this thread oops! But yeah eg winning is first time an sa team has made top4 in a major.

emperorchampion

Canada9496 Posts

May 06 2023 16:03 GMT

#11

I kinda love that the new roshan can get all buggy

Yurie

11819 Posts

May 06 2023 16:28 GMT

#12

Bounty looked very bad in game two and dropped off heavily after BKB in the first game. Force staffs wins games being the other point I guess.

Pavise is insanely strong. Then 5 man fights starts and it does nothing. Opponent support has force staff to save their core while you are halfway towards yours. In game 1 they got their force staff at minute 38 against an Underlord...

Really feel that itemization on tofu vs the 9panda supports was a large part of why they won.

Yurie

11819 Posts

May 06 2023 19:28 GMT

#13

Next series shows my force staff hypothesis as weak.

Archeon

3253 Posts

May 06 2023 19:55 GMT

#14

Feels like Pavise is good with tanky cores. If you have a snowballing core that is barely killable stacking buffs and shields on him can push him over the edge and then fights become very easy to play.

If I'm loosing I think I'd rather have a FS to save my carry from a bad position, but if I'm winning I think Pavise is the better item, 300 extra hp on Alch or Dusa is pretty nice.

I'm interested to see if BkB will receive changes, because the current meta of 3 tanky cores is probably a result of the Bkb changes.