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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Poll: The International 2022 ChampionTeam Liquid (13) 30% Team Secret (11) 25% Evil Geniuses (8) 18% PSG.LGD (5) 11% Tundra Esports (2) 5% Team Aster (2) 5% Thunder Awaken (1) 2% OG (1) 2% BOOM (1) 2% Hokori (0) 0% Team Spirit (0) 0% RNG (0) 0% Gaimin Gladiators (0) 0% Fnatic (0) 0% Beastcoast (0) 0% Entity (0) 0% 44 total votes Your vote: The International 2022 Champion (Vote): Team Liquid
(Vote): Evil Geniuses
(Vote): PSG.LGD
(Vote): Team Secret
(Vote): Tundra Esports
(Vote): Team Aster
(Vote): Thunder Awaken
(Vote): OG
(Vote): Hokori
(Vote): Team Spirit
(Vote): RNG
(Vote): Gaimin Gladiators
(Vote): Fnatic
(Vote): Beastcoast
(Vote): BOOM
(Vote): Entity
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EG all the way!!
My pre-tournament prediction was for spirit, now they're in the lower bracket I don't think they'll make it - would be epic to see though. In reality I don't want to get my hopes up for EG, I'm happy they made it through groups and gave us some good games. I'm gonna go with Tundra as my prediction.
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Belgium16168 Posts
Fuck it I'll watch the main event. Haven't seen any esport tourney in two years and if EG doesn't win again I will be devastated. This is Arteezy's year
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EG looking good, but not unbeatable! ... basically all teams are beatable, so it will be interesting.
Anyone knows how RNG (and LGD?) are affected with Covid and playing on the main stage?
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On October 19 2022 14:34 Geisterkarle wrote:
EG looking good, but not unbeatable! ... basically all teams are beatable, so it will be interesting.
Anyone knows how RNG (and LGD?) are affected with Covid and playing on the main stage?
Liquid showed it that EG can bleed, would not count the series against Boom...one team was playing for their tournament lives, the others had already secured the top seed.
Apparently, non of the players from LGD are affected so far, but RNG is really screwed. I doubt that they are allowed to enter the main stage when somebody is still positive, this would be gross negligent also towards the other teams. Guess they will be allowed to play this series online and Entity will be standing alone on the stage.
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Bets on if the games will start on time today? I'm hoping yes but probably we will see games actually start like an hour late.
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On October 20 2022 01:42 emperorchampion wrote:
Bets on if the games will start on time today? I'm hoping yes but probably we will see games actually start like an hour late.
They will probably start the pre-show at the scheduled game start time. :/
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On October 20 2022 02:07 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2022 01:42 emperorchampion wrote:
Bets on if the games will start on time today? I'm hoping yes but probably we will see games actually start like an hour late. They will probably start the pre-show at the scheduled game start time. :/
Yeah that's what I'm expecting too - probably won't be able to watch EG before heading to bed 
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whoa there was a pre-show!
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looks like a pretty small venue and no booths until the finals?! gonna be a crazy experience for the players lol
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On October 20 2022 10:52 emperorchampion wrote:
whoa there was a pre-show!
Worthwhile to watch? I set my alarm to the game start time +5 minutes.
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On October 20 2022 11:07 Yurie wrote:Worthwhile to watch? I set my alarm to the game start time +5 minutes.
only caught like 10 min before start time, and nah
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pretty in-meta drafts so far from both sides although EG with two cores in the first 3 heroes
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Blood Seeker pick for TA might be half a block pick and good for themselves.
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kinda like thunder line up better since it has more obvious combos
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that rolling thunder really f'd EG bot lane - nice plays from thunder
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On October 20 2022 11:24 emperorchampion wrote:
kinda like thunder line up better since it has more obvious combos
After BKB I like it a lot more. Before I think EG takes team fights. Though TA should have a ganking advantage.
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Thunder is actually playing scary. That kite on the Aegis advantage EG is pretty crazy
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I dunno how EG deals with thunder at this point, they have to get lucky with a refresher ravage on 3 members of thunder or something idk
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rtz needs swift blink I think
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this
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bloodseeker
LMAO
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holy fuck such a disastrous fight for EG with everyone escaping on nothing from predator - that's looking like game 1
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Thunder actually looks fucking good at teamfights.
Glad to see the day South America is actually clapping in TI
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the last two picks were bad news for EG, really not convinced about tidehunter and bloodseeker was obviously amazing lol
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On October 20 2022 12:08 goody153 wrote:
Thunder actually looks fucking good at teamfights.
Glad to see the day South America is actually clapping in TI
yeah sad they're up against EG cause I would like to cheer for them
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welp, looks like I'll be able to watch this whole series pretty easily before bed 
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On October 20 2022 12:09 emperorchampion wrote:
the last two picks were bad news for EG, really not convinced about tidehunter and bloodseeker was obviously amazing lol
I honestly did not believe in that bloodseeker.
Like i liked how zeus, pango, tiny, CM being kite heavy but BS completed the lineup together. I probably just don't believe in BS carry lol
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I liked the bs with zeus, but I didn't really expect pango, bs and zeus to put in so much work lol. also all 5 members with stuns once the two bashers came out
I think maybe silencer and tide were the problem? don't really seem like crit and nightfall heroes also
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I didn't like the Tide in particular. It looks good until you remember Sven is a support and now your draft is very passive. They needed a playmaker like the Tiny or Pango of Thunder. I'd say this was definitely a drafting mistake by EG, they'll come back stronger in game 2.
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CM first ban lmao
well it is understandable hero is bonkers (her 3rd skill is nuts) and I even spam it on pt q's myself
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On October 20 2022 12:22 emperorchampion wrote:
I liked the bs with zeus, but I didn't really expect pango, bs and zeus to put in so much work lol. also all 5 members with stuns once the two bashers came out
I think maybe silencer and tide were the problem? don't really seem like crit and nightfall heroes also
Tide is a nightfall hero. Silencer could've been a different hero tho cause what Thunder did was wait out the silence lol
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On October 20 2022 12:28 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2022 12:22 emperorchampion wrote:
I liked the bs with zeus, but I didn't really expect pango, bs and zeus to put in so much work lol. also all 5 members with stuns once the two bashers came out
I think maybe silencer and tide were the problem? don't really seem like crit and nightfall heroes also Tide is a nightfall hero. Silencer could've been a different hero tho cause what Thunder did was wait out the silence lol
he can play it of course, but from what I've seen EG really wants nightfall on that top networth hero
liking the crit marci a lot more here in game 2
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On October 20 2022 12:24 Bruno784 wrote:
I didn't like the Tide in particular. It looks good until you remember Sven is a support and now your draft is very passive. They needed a playmaker like the Tiny or Pango of Thunder. I'd say this was definitely a drafting mistake by EG, they'll come back stronger in game 2.
also, welcome!
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On October 20 2022 12:32 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2022 12:28 goody153 wrote:On October 20 2022 12:22 emperorchampion wrote:
I liked the bs with zeus, but I didn't really expect pango, bs and zeus to put in so much work lol. also all 5 members with stuns once the two bashers came out
I think maybe silencer and tide were the problem? don't really seem like crit and nightfall heroes also Tide is a nightfall hero. Silencer could've been a different hero tho cause what Thunder did was wait out the silence lol he can play it of course, but from what I've seen EG really wants nightfall on that top networth hero liking the crit marci a lot more here in game 2
This game should be alot more excited series
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On October 20 2022 12:38 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2022 12:32 emperorchampion wrote:On October 20 2022 12:28 goody153 wrote:On October 20 2022 12:22 emperorchampion wrote:
I liked the bs with zeus, but I didn't really expect pango, bs and zeus to put in so much work lol. also all 5 members with stuns once the two bashers came out
I think maybe silencer and tide were the problem? don't really seem like crit and nightfall heroes also Tide is a nightfall hero. Silencer could've been a different hero tho cause what Thunder did was wait out the silence lol he can play it of course, but from what I've seen EG really wants nightfall on that top networth hero liking the crit marci a lot more here in game 2 This game should be alot more excited series
yeah I'm scared of morphling though
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EG has alot stronger early-mid game this time around
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thanks
I think Thunder has EG's number again. These SF openings are very predictable, especially because they don't flex that hero. Meanwhile Tiny/Dawn leaves you wondering where they go and they cover so much, initiation, disable, heals. In general, EG picks very obvious meta heroes. Of course they're proven, but it's also clear what will happen, and I'm sure at TI you want to surprise your opponents and let nerves do the rest.
Lanes look fine right now but Morph Aghs is like an invisible networth shift. Imo Thunder will snowball very quickly once their core items are up.
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man thunder are playing so well, nice buy back from dawn
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I think this is gg... this is why I didn't get my hopes up - same old 1 strategy EG, just doesn't happen to be first picking storm this time around
well EG made it to the finals of the animajor through the lower bracket so let's see where they can go here
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A top 6 Thunder Predator is honestly exciting
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On October 20 2022 12:59 goody153 wrote:
A top 6 Thunder Predator is honestly exciting
ye ye, breaking into the top 3 would be epic
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well EG made it to the finals of the animajor through the lower bracket so let's see where they can go here
I don't think you can recover from #1 in groups into losing to SA first round, although of course they could still go all the way.
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On October 20 2022 13:02 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2022 12:59 goody153 wrote:
A top 6 Thunder Predator is honestly exciting ye ye, breaking into the top 3 would be epic
what if they won TI ?
could you imagine how much that would put life into the entire SA scene ? they would turn into a major region in a get-go if they actually had a regional team winning the entire thing
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On October 20 2022 13:04 Bruno784 wrote:Show nested quote +well EG made it to the finals of the animajor through the lower bracket so let's see where they can go here I don't think you can recover from #1 in groups into losing to SA first round, although of course they could still go all the way.
This SA team tbf is doing pretty fucking well and they did also well in the groups. So nothing to scoff at but depends on EG's mentality about this
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For sure, they're super strong but EG is also underperforming heavily. Shouldn't be a 2-0 in this manner
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i love the thunder awaken post-game huddle and cheer
they can feel the top 6
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"They gave us everything" LMAO
Yep fucking love thunder awaken players you can tell this is their first TI
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On October 20 2022 13:04 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2022 13:02 emperorchampion wrote:On October 20 2022 12:59 goody153 wrote:
A top 6 Thunder Predator is honestly exciting ye ye, breaking into the top 3 would be epic what if they won TI ? could you imagine how much that would put life into the entire SA scene ? they would turn into a major region in a get-go if they actually had a regional team winning the entire thing
SA peaking at ti is great, I don’t even know if they life blown into them. Sa is already exporting 2/3 top carries in na so I’d say they are doing well as is. too bad sea seems to have dropped off since earlier in the season
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Also Kyle tweeted about eg lol what a jerk
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On October 20 2022 13:25 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2022 13:04 goody153 wrote:On October 20 2022 13:02 emperorchampion wrote:On October 20 2022 12:59 goody153 wrote:
A top 6 Thunder Predator is honestly exciting ye ye, breaking into the top 3 would be epic what if they won TI ? could you imagine how much that would put life into the entire SA scene ? they would turn into a major region in a get-go if they actually had a regional team winning the entire thing SA peaking at ti is great, I don’t even know if they life blown into them. Sa is already exporting 2/3 top carries in na so I’d say they are doing well as is. too bad sea seems to have dropped off since earlier in the season
Well SA picking up what NA dropped become the capital region of America for Dota
I don't fucking know what happened with SEA ngl. They weren't doing too badly before TI.
It kinda feels bad watching them do badly this TI
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I don't like this CM meta going on.
Cause that means Icefrog is gonna nerf her again as if she hasn't had enough nerf. She already weaker than a literal creep lmao
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What was the reason for bear maelstrom over desolator?
LGD wanting Secret to pick Silencer support and getting an unexpected core.
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Feels like they will just run over LGD again. If it goes late LGD might have an advantage.
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On October 20 2022 14:29 Yurie wrote:
Feels like they will just run over LGD again. If it goes late LGD might have an advantage.
Hopefully LGD puts up a fight at least. Their draft is at least better than last game. That game they were just run over lol
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On October 20 2022 14:31 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2022 14:29 Yurie wrote:
Feels like they will just run over LGD again. If it goes late LGD might have an advantage. Hopefully LGD puts up a fight at least. Their draft is at least better than last game. That game they were just run over lol
The worry for me is the Nyx. They probably need to snipe it once or twice to stop it scouting and setting up kills.
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Always a zeus dream scenario to have your wraith of god randomly get double kill
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That Combo with Marci + Nyx + Dawn is the main worry. On supports you don't need the Marci once Nyx has ulti.
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Just tuned in. Man, the "new" overlay in stream is really bad. I thought it is 1:1 between Secret and LGD. Those color combinations are not good!
Also: EG 0:2 TA?
VOD worth watching NA going down? 
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Have to leave for work now just after LGD clawed a team fight. :D
On October 20 2022 15:08 Geisterkarle wrote:Just tuned in. Man, the "new" overlay in stream is really bad. I thought it is 1:1 between Secret and LGD. Those color combinations are not good! Also: EG 0:2 TA? VOD worth watching NA going down?
Not good games. Bad drafts and getting outplayed.
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I thought the casters are remote. Why do we get this hall-effect?
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I really want Hokori to win this one but i'm afraid their SA matchup is gonna end up with Beastcoast win.
Beastcoast is so bad this TI. I have more hopes on Hokori against other teams since they almost made it to upperbracket
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Both EG and LGD lost, rip my fantasy for today 
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I haven't seen the EG games, but from what I read hear, we have only seen stomps so far?
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On October 20 2022 15:43 Geisterkarle wrote:
I thought the casters are remote. Why do we get this hall-effect?
Panel is remote, casters are on site
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Holy crap, EG got outdrafted and outplayed so hard. This was a lowblow and now they have to face beastcoast..what a storyline...beastcoast securing the direct TI-invite for EG with their win over VP at the Arlington Major and now they have to play against each other to avoid elimination.
Secret also looking great while LGD still seems underwhelming compared to what they are able to do. We may have the last TI-finals again, but now in the second round of the lower bracket.
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Ohhh this OD pick is great by Spirit. If Boom can't like tempo spirit early-midgame then Boom is fucked
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New TI champion incoming!
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Too bad for Spirit hope they come back next year and not get dragged by the war nonsense
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Yikes, yatoro got his words that Boom is a mediocre team shoveled deep into his four letters. Did not expect that Spirit would leave on day 1 on the mainstage. Not a fan of a BO1 tho.
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Fnatic draft is literally just rightclick people lol but good thing they don't care about global silence
The problem is that inevitable spirit hero vs an entire lineup who can't stop any jumpers
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Who in their right mind though that clock reworked scepter overclocking was a balanced idea?
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Man, GG are fighting back!
Finally a close game!
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Damn that Storm aghs is crushing Fnatic in fights
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Damn, my prediction bracket is in shambles :D
Well played GG, nice comeback!
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Fnatic was just too overconfident in that top push, game was done.
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There was no answer to storm as expected
On October 20 2022 18:57 Faruko wrote:
Who in their right mind though that clock reworked scepter overclocking was a balanced idea?
Well it was better than the last one. Mass vision is helpful.
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Must have been one of the most valuable Aghs purchase on a Storm Spirit I have ever seen...what a comeback from GG, very resilient from them and not crumbling under all the pressure like in earlier tournaments.
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Poor xNova alone on the stage
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On October 20 2022 19:15 PoulsenB wrote:
Poor xNova alone on the stage
Feel so bad for him.
They even went from 9-1 to 9-9 because of covid in the group stages. And we get to watch xnova alone on the group stages and now possibly on his final main stage.
Too bad they were doing too well
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i dont get how casters can talk about smokes and roshes when theres no soundproofing at all
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On October 20 2022 20:01 rabidch wrote:
i dont get how casters can talk about smokes and roshes when theres no soundproofing at all
It is assumed they can hear the cheers but not what the casters are saying.
Also blame PGL instead of the casters. They are the ones acting like a corrupt government entity who is skimping on everything
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Can't RNG just rat with Underlord ultimate?
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80mins mark. Everyone is a core now
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84k lead... I'm not sure I have seen that!
And that with rax disadvantage
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On October 20 2022 20:57 LennX wrote:
80mins mark. Everyone is a core now
Not this poor lich
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On October 20 2022 21:08 Durnuu wrote:Not this poor lich
Soon tm /s
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Ok why is the Entity-RNG game still going wtf
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Why didn't they do this 20 minutes ago
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Ancient Apparition with 2 divine rapiers lul
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There was some game where a AA got a rapier and hold highground with that
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And here I was, 10min into the game, thinking "Entity is already done, they have no late game"... I guess that's why I suck as a player :D
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Lalalaland34501 Posts
Did they just manner pause lol
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On October 20 2022 21:24 Firebolt145 wrote:
Did they just manner pause lol
That pause timing.. next level. But tbh the guy probably smashed his whole keyboard by excitement and that happened.
On the one hand I was for Entity, but on the other hand I couldn't help feeling bad for RNG.
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Insane game, RNG should have done the rat play on the rax 20 minutes earlier...this was way to late. Feels bad for RNG, from 9:1 after two days to 9: 9 after group stage to be eliminated on the first day on the main stage. Covid really fucked them hard...
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NA favorites losing to the favorite NA server scapegoats : SA players. Great storyline by itself.
Tbh I was against SEA getting extra slots (I thought they were bad and did not deserve them) back in the days but it quickly allowed the whole region to raise their level and they proved me wrong, I'm under the impression the same effect is occuring in SA. Once at a certain level you can only improve facing the best of the best.
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also I just saw they put teddy bears to fill the empty seats of the RNG players wtf lol
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Hope it isn't mid Oracle again. Did not look that great last time.
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Just get sad watching Sand King after minute 4 this game.
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The kings arrows have been on point this game!
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On October 21 2022 11:47 Yurie wrote:
Just get sad watching Sand King after minute 4 this game.
Tundra on a different level this game
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I think OG might have the wrong read on what role Oracle is strong or weak as. They seem to see him as a strong DPS hero, which is somewhat true but he only has a channeled root to combo 600 damage with. Compare him to Skywrath where Sky + SK can easily do pickoffs.
CM + Oracle, how do you gank without two cores involved?
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Wow giving pb and marci, meta has really changed from the lcq
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Please don't be another 2-0
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also primal vs sb mid rofl
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On October 21 2022 12:21 goody153 wrote:
Please don't be another 2-0
think we will see game 3 this one
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og owning the early game, unfortunately
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This is some fun brawling from Tundra.
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the visage and shaker stuns are crazy
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It's looking like a 2-0 again. Man I really wanted a 3 game playoffs at least
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On October 21 2022 12:49 goody153 wrote:
It's looking like a 2-0 again. Man I really wanted a 3 game playoffs at least
hmm yuragi bkb will change things i think
nvm doesn't look like he wants it
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Spirit breaker is wrecking the Oracle once it went to team fights.
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Alright no 2-0 yet with Tundra fucking up LOL
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Tier 4 + Ancients is hard this early in the game. The 30% increase to ancient in the recent patch also plays in, makes it not worthwhile to try for the finish after respawn.
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my page 1 prediction looking alright!
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On October 21 2022 12:57 Yurie wrote:
Spirit breaker is wrecking the Oracle once it went to team fights.
yeah that was beautiful with the lifestealer
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Really spicy results so far. Now please go Liquid!
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Another 2-0 sigh
Also looks like Group B> Group A in the upperbracket results.
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let's see if Liquid can restore a bit of group A's honour, only boom and gaimin winning so far
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On October 21 2022 13:07 goody153 wrote:
Another 2-0 sigh
Also looks like Group B> Group A in the upperbracket results.
beat me to it 
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kinda cheering for aster here, feel bad for china - they need a win
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Isn't it common in TI that one group over performs? Each one develops its own Meta and one works well against the other. You basically train for 18 games in a row into a specific style of thinking/playing but they are different.
Usually the differences aren't extreme but noticeable.
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Wonder if Liquid could break the curse of group A
On October 21 2022 13:17 Yurie wrote:
Isn't it common in TI that one group over performs? Each one develops its own Meta and one works well against the other. You basically train for 18 games in a row into a specific style of thinking/playing but they are different.
Usually the differences aren't extreme but noticeable.
Yes it is pretty common. Grand finalist usually come from the same group too iirc apart from rare cases like TI9
This is why i prefer they'd bring back the one group round robin even if they would make it a b02 instead of b01 (tho i mostly want this back because I wanted every team to have a chance to play with each team before at least)
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Oh my that seemed like a bad idea to fight there.
Promising start from Liquid, but they didn't make much of it.
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Come on Liquid don't make it another 2-0
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On October 21 2022 14:15 goody153 wrote:
Come on Liquid don't make it another 2-0
Looks like they probably do.
Liquid were once again doing good until CM got ganked and they still tried to engage a 5 man team while being scattered around and in worse position.
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Group B really is > Group A
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oh no bald rtz not working for game 1
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On October 21 2022 16:41 PoulsenB wrote:
yeah EG is done I think
Hey we still have game 2.
But it is like really ironic if the SA teams broke them out of everybody. Also Beastcoast got them into TI this year. Would be interesting if Beastcoast is the one who will also kick them out of TI
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This at least looks more like a competitive game between BC and EG
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Naga vs Naix is always so interesting. It can go either way
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EG went 0-4 vs South American Teams damn.
SA is officially stronger than NA now.
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NA in shambles
Now what unfortunate soul will EG now poach to play with RTZ and Bulba
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Group A total trash so far
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Did beastcoast just countershave in order to counter RTZ shave lmao
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Is this gonna be another 2-0?
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2gd is back? wow I am amazed, glad he is back.
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Upper bracket spoileries:
+ Show Spoiler +The upper bracket went 8-0 for group B teams. I don't think the group looks that much better on paper at least, but that's a pretty brutal difference in performance nevertheless.
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On October 21 2022 18:58 xsnac wrote:
2gd is back? wow I am amazed, glad he is back.
He came back during the worst TI ever.
So much fucking issues with PGL including having players hear the casters from the booth. It's fucking unreal
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Nyx wrecked EG's Ember so hard. Really feels like a hero people are not valuing it enough. Though it does require a stable lane due to how weak that stage is.
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I'm not sure how LGD kills anything
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Boom is making so many mistakes, those early bkbs are costing.
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felt like that was the fastest 4 bo3 day i've seen. all 2-0s, no games went insanely long, and pgl's setup cuts down break times...
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On October 21 2022 19:04 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2022 18:58 xsnac wrote:
2gd is back? wow I am amazed, glad he is back. He came back during the worst TI ever. So much fucking issues with PGL including having players hear the casters from the booth. It's fucking unreal
what other problems are there? I can't tell any other thing except sound proof booths (lack of).
As with regard of sound proof:
I can see it as being 2 sided, maybe hearing the audience boost morale for some players. Yes it can make smoke useless but thats about it.
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Belgium16168 Posts
God what a depressing TI that PGL is putting on. Is this what Dota has come to? Does Valve not care anymore?
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I'm not sure Valve has ever cared about dota bar TI, and nowdays it seems they dont even care about that.
Take TI money, spread it out all year long, 5 tournaments, 4 majors and TI, 15% each major 40% TI. now teams will care about dota all year long
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On October 21 2022 21:26 Faruko wrote:
I'm not sure Valve has ever cared about dota bar TI, and nowdays it seems they dont even care about that.
Take TI money, spread it out all year long, 5 tournaments, 4 majors and TI, 15% each major 40% TI. now teams will care about dota all year long
Smart teams already care all year long (because they have to get to ti). Spreading the money to tournaments doesn’t change much imo, what could change things is if you put it into the seasons. edit: but that's more about supporting the teams that don't make it to tournaments. We might see this now that the TI prize pool has started coming down.
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so many shaved heads at this TI haha
the 0-4 bomb out from EG was very expected, still sad about it
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This whole lack of booths fiasco was such a bone-headed mistake from PGL and Valve. I think that the situation has been a bit overblown, but just why would you put yourselves in this situation in the first place for the most important tournament of the year???
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Hope we see some 3 game series today!
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Silencer there to stop Mortimer Kisses? Thought it was shown that silencer without anything to counter is a so-so hero.
Guess it can be ok against invoker combos as well.
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Think Storm has to carry GG in this game. Unless Primal gets going it looks bleak though.
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OMG Yuragi misplayed like 6-7 times in 10 minutes
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Wow never seen that Pango + Chrono interaction before.
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GG taking a page from OG: What? loose a fight? Let's go in!
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ATF must be tilted by these chronoshperes
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On October 22 2022 06:24 emperorchampion wrote:This whole lack of booths fiasco was such a bone-headed mistake from PGL and Valve. I think that the situation has been a bit overblown, but just why would you put yourselves in this situation in the first place for the most important tournament of the year???
if anything the teams' and community's response are too weak. it is not a dota competition anymore when you can predict every opponent's move. volvo and pgl suck big time to not provide a facility that has been implemented for more than decade.
and yuragi is so damn idiot last game
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lol ATF's SK at 3/1 on 3:30 mark
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the quality of the game is much worse than the entire season or the past ti. and this is the upper bracket where it is supposed to be good.
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and i wonder how on earth gaimin could ever reach this far. their individual skills are average with ace particularly poor and their teamplay is not cohesive either.
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game 2 was hype.
game 3 OG was a bit disappointing with GG getting on a downward spiral after the failed T3 push top.
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this is lower bracket
GG gets overeager when they are slightly ahead and too impatient. They suffered from that and is rewarded with airport tickets
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Proud of Amar the Filipino
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Hmm why does nobody ban silencer when they pick Enigma?
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On October 22 2022 14:56 Yurie wrote:
Hmm why does nobody ban silencer when they pick Enigma?
Probably rather let the other team have Silencer rather than Undy/Marci
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Oh how nice I only missed like 15 minutes of the first Liquid map. Didn't want to get up early today and expected to miss the whole game.
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Liquid takes an early lead. Entity tries for some light plays. Nothing happens for 20 minutes. Liquid lead expands.
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On October 22 2022 15:27 icystorage wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2022 14:56 Yurie wrote:
Hmm why does nobody ban silencer when they pick Enigma? Probably rather let the other team have Silencer rather than Undy/Marci
I mean the second phase bans. First phase I agree with. This game it seems they knew it would not be picked and saved a ban.
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Liquid at their weakest timing right now (before super late game). Waiting on the core items on their heroes.
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matu and zai have been underwhelming with all the space and farm they have
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On October 22 2022 16:38 Snakesneaks wrote:
matu and zai have been underwhelming with all the space and farm they have
Think the last game was over at the rosh fight. Unless Entity made mistakes it was over there. Wasn't anything they could do with the lineup they had past that. Super late it could of course flip due to Tusk Aghs but it wouldn't get there.
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Great hold by Liquid. Thought Entity had won the game.
Then you had the sad black hole :/
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
my fucking heart for this game man
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omfg, im shaking lmao what a game
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great game, happy for liquid
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gg
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Secret fighting as 5. Thunder as 4 and feeding.
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lesh is shaping up to the hero of main event
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On October 22 2022 20:25 PoulsenB wrote:
lesh is shaping up to the hero of main event
Agreed.
Puppey is keeping up >1 int stolen per minute. The measuring stick for a dominating Silencer game.
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TA is playing so strangely. Not letting the bot rax go there when Zeus is 5s from respawning.
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Tundra vs Aster is probably the most even game we have gotten today. In Tundra's favour due to doom but far from decided.
(OG vs GG game 2 was more epic but not as even.)
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Then just after I wrote that the game collapsed.
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aoe doom is filthy, I gotta try it
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Aster got a great game position. Then lost the map by getting picked off. Then fell behind due to getting picked off.
Ori has not impressed past minute 20. Or alternative Tundra is moving fast enough that they surprise Ori.
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The 2-0 UB continues. I wouldn't have expected Tundra to top their group and make top 3 at minimum, but here we are.
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Well played Tundra!
Europe Finals!
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With liquiddota closing down I forgot the main stage event already begun
Surprising to see both Team Spirit and EG out already, lol
Maybe Puppey can finally claim a trophy this year, since his NaVi days
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Common liquid, lets BP trap OG into picking void today
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Not a big fan of the Mirana pick. Could be a CM instead and be decent anti creep and disable.
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On October 23 2022 11:10 icystorage wrote:
man, poor beastcoast.
Man, poor LGD.
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omg omg omg beastcoast takes game 1
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LGD on the verge of defeat, lets see if they can come back
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whoa beastcoast won game 1
let's go beastcoast!
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and they won with the teddy bears ahahahaha
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On October 23 2022 12:05 PhoenixVoid wrote:Man, poor LGD.
1v5 micro too good
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I like this draft a lot more for BC than LGD. Void > LS, Nyx > lesh, Axe unreliable
of course if the Void player play like yuragi yesterday I will eat these words
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Seems like Bian's Axe is one of something that LGD had hide in their sleeves
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On October 23 2022 12:46 mintyminmus wrote:
I like this draft a lot more for BC than LGD. Void > LS, Nyx > lesh, Axe unreliable
of course if the Void player play like yuragi yesterday I will eat these words
It was a sad Void game. He does a decent to good Chrono and nothing happens. Not the hero for the game.
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What was that Marci + SF play?
Also IO + Lesh looked great there, sometimes they just die.
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Was Sven the xianxia pick of that game?
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LGD whipping out these new BP
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Just got up.
The bc-LGD games worth VODding?
And got online for Liquid winning! Good timing
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G3 of bc-LGD is pretty good
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This huskar pick on elimination game is interesting
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OG has 1 reliable CC in tiny and that's it
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this last pick brood is fucking them up
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Liquid looking good today! Great to see!
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Love to see Liquid owning. GOGO
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WP TL
Airport Dota Best Dota
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Sad that beastcoast lost but happy liquid won. Hope that thunder can pull out the w
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I love how casters started calling atf "atm" in game 2 xD
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I'm surprised OG didn't ban BS. Matu provided so much vision that just turn ATF into their banking account
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Players complaining about sound issues again hmmm
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If Aster go lategame I think Drow can carry this!
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The Aghs timing on Disruptor is too late it looks like. They are losing the fights when the silences no longer do much.
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LGD is losing later team fights in both games. At least in this one they have a scaling option this game, though it looks worse.
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RIP LGD
Pretty sad last game for FaithBian if he actually retires
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100% I would prefer playing TA draft over Liquid draft. Even before this Bloodseeker crushing the lane stage.
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Micke gets out of control!
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Lesh is just too strong. Idk if blackhole matters at this point even if Liquid has no clear counter on BH
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Thunder predator heroes are so slippery with just daggers and force staffs lol
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Liquid messed up that roshan fight
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Leshrac is so balanced LMAO
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Liquid liking that fighting spot. Where they can BB and TP in. The classic Dire advantage.
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Liquid please
That was such a weird fight to take at the end
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if I was in that game I'd stand up and punch whoever called the decision to fight near radiant base
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what a game, top 4 all from group B would be hilarious tho.
also slightly oot but RIP Liquiddota.
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megacreep comeback
if Thunder Awaken manages to pass through liquid this series. I think they are gonna get really dangerous
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I really really hope Liquid manage to mentally reset for game 2. I for sure got tilted just watching it
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I;m confused with how liquid is drafting...
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puck into disruptor... ok?
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Insania going OOM not enough to lose the fight.
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Last pick puck did so much
I wasnt expecting that
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holy fuck Ember tilted LOL
I know tilted when I see one. I do wonder if Thunder has the mentality to comeback from this
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Micke played like a god man. The way he jumped in and out was insane
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liquid won with that lesh
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Undying and Pudge is never a good combo together
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oh god thunder ember again. didn't he tilt last game with that lol
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Liquid really loves zombies. They want as many as possible.
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Liquid keeps getting stuck. They had a nice lead then die over and over.
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big communication problem for liquid. matu hesitated either to engage or retreat while the latter was obviously the best move because his team were not ready.
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the lack of farm on Matu is really biting them in the ass here
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wtf was liquid
what was that two man jump why couldn't they wait for others wtf
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Finally Liquid got a fight where they did not get stuck in black hole with DPS.
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how tf naix deals that much damage while being underfarmed
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They still won't win this, they don't have enough lane creeps
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Easy Liquid win.
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Never mind, I'm happy to eat my words. Liquid are doing it!
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SA never changes even at TI LOL
best game of the tourna
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LIQUID IS DOING IT (again)
sea and sa must learn a lot in decision making, they really suck on it
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On October 23 2022 22:50 Snakesneaks wrote:
LIQUID IS DOING IT (again)
sea and sa must learn a lot in decision making, they really suck on it
They 100% have the skill and playstyle but they need composure.
Oh this is the best year for SA so not bad for them
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On October 23 2022 22:54 DropBear wrote:
Rampage into lose. Wow
They just needed to play safe. They played like a pub and didn't have buyback. They had top 4
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On October 23 2022 22:50 Snakesneaks wrote:
LIQUID IS DOING IT (again)
sea and sa must learn a lot in decision making, they really suck on it I'm pretty sure TL had worse teamfight decisions this game 3 lol...
it came down to individual performances in low XvX situations
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Man this series aged me like 20 years. BUT LETS FUCKING GO LIQUID
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The one week break is so awful though. I wonder how they will practice.
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On October 23 2022 22:56 Terrorbladder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2022 22:50 Snakesneaks wrote:
LIQUID IS DOING IT (again)
sea and sa must learn a lot in decision making, they really suck on it I'm pretty sure TL had worse teamfight decisions this game 3 lol... it came down to individual performances in low XvX situations
liquid have better game understanding, but they seemed like having comm problem because they seemed to not in unison either to engage/escape/focus target etc. on the other hand, thunder seemed collectively into wrong decision stemming from their pub games. for instance, they could wait for bb ready before jumping to liquid's tier 4 before getting wiped.
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On October 23 2022 23:02 nojok wrote:
The one week break is so awful though. I wonder how they will practice.
I know, right? really bad decision from a viewer perspective
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On October 23 2022 23:11 Latham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2022 23:02 nojok wrote:
The one week break is so awful though. I wonder how they will practice. I know, right? really bad decision from a viewer perspective
Depends on the goal. Continuing the hype from a previous series, bad. Getting people to see last 4 days good since all games are on weekends.
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On October 23 2022 22:57 ShiaoPi wrote:
Man this series aged me like 20 years. BUT LETS FUCKING GO LIQUID
Absolutely insane series. Still talking to some friends about what we just watched rofl
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annnnd the two qualified from LCQ are in top4 :-p
What a series....
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On October 23 2022 23:25 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2022 22:57 ShiaoPi wrote:
Man this series aged me like 20 years. BUT LETS FUCKING GO LIQUID Absolutely insane series. Still talking to some friends about what we just watched rofl
ye, I am also still just shellshocked sitting there watching the last minutes on repeat lol
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On October 23 2022 23:02 nojok wrote:
The one week break is so awful though. I wonder how they will practice.
Have they given any explanation for the break?
Don't really have an opinion right now if it's good or bad but I'm genuinely curious why they did it.
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On October 24 2022 01:51 Merany wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2022 23:02 nojok wrote:
The one week break is so awful though. I wonder how they will practice. Have they given any explanation for the break? Don't really have an opinion right now if it's good or bad but I'm genuinely curious why they did it.
Same format as league. I assume it is for increased viewership overall. More watchers on weekends than on weekdays.
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Incredible series, well played liquid, i was already sliding in depression as the TA lead seemed insurmountable. just incredible
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What a series. Can't believe the boys mustered the mental fortitude for that.
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Oh man! Loving this journey!! What a series vs Thunder
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The rollercoaster Liquid must have been going through in that series is beyond imagination. Losing game 1 in such a way would have been the nail in the coffin for many other teams, stomping game 2 and in game 3 basically one HP away from being eliminated. No matter the outcome of the series against Aster, Liquid has performed extremely well and gave us some of the most memorable games. Still hoping they can pull through to the Grand Final and giving Matu the setup he deserves for his final tournament.
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Osaka27162 Posts
What a great day of dota. Whatever problems the tournament has, the dota has been amazing.
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China players must learn English, so that they can listen to sound casting that reveal the opponents.
Commentator: Tusk is moving to Midlane...
Nisha, Puppey & team: !!!
XinQ, y, Ame, Faith_bian: ???
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On October 23 2022 22:50 Snakesneaks wrote:
LIQUID IS DOING IT (again)
sea and sa must learn a lot in decision making, they really suck on it
SEA is occupied by pinoy, other SEA players must obey majority pinoys decision if not either leave or being kick out. So far the greats achievement by SEA team was by Malaysian team, Orange & Fnatic.
See how Yopaj and Jackyboy, jackyboy has to play at his own most of the time while Yopaj will get most support from teammates, cos Yopaj is pinoy but jackyboy is Cambodian
User was warned for this post.
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Best 4 remaining:
2 actually from Last Chance qualifiers, means they actually out but they are given survival card.
Few things:
1. The organiser can control who they want, they are actually the decider.
2. Those have played LCQ get better understanding of the games, maybe they are more exposure in competitive games prior to TI
3. Usually the winner come from lower bracket, not sure is that more games u played, u got more advantages. The really have to think about 1 game advantage for winner side.
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Lot of crap you have posted here..the allegations that SEA is being hold down by them and BOOM is intentionally giving Yopaj a better game because they are racist who do not want that a malaysian player is having success is really harsh.
Secret and Liquid earned their spot, bringing back the LCQ was imho the best idea Valve had in a long time. Wildcard-Matches have been part of the TI till 2017.
Out from ten TI, only three teams did win when coming from the lower bracket, EG(2015), Liquid(2017) and Team Spirit(2021), so no need to give the first finalist an advantage, they already have an advantage by playing only one series and not two on the same day within a short timeframe.
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Man the final two days are gonna be hype! The upper bracket matchup is super interesting - on one hand Tundra are huge dota nerds and one week of preparation is really scary to go against. On the other hand, Secret have been hot since the LCQ and have a lot of big stage experience whereas Tundra have traditionally not looked as solid in front of big crowds. Then there is Aster as the last chinese team in the lower bracket against Liquid trying to win the last few games for matu. All the western european teams will have some sort of second TI win if they make it all the way: puppey and matu as 2x TI winner, Aui as 1x player 1x coach.
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Wildcard matches did exist but LCQ is not really wildcard matches, even though with respect to TI qualification, the end result is the same. Yet LCQ is a pre-TI for the teams, with full group stage and bracket even to the point where no team is eliminated without playing a group stage and Bo3 -- meanwhile TI main stage still has those Bo1s! So some teams are able to test and hone their team identities in the LCQ, and it turned out to be very fortuitous for Secret and Liquid.
Also important since there have been huge shifts in meta since ESL Genting Malaysia and Arlington Major, you could tell the two teams came in with a stronger draft understanding than the majority of the other teams.
Even though I said all of this I do want LCQ to stay, it was very fun to watch.
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On October 25 2022 15:58 Rufus Dupres wrote:
Secret and Liquid earned their spot, bringing back the LCQ was imho the best idea Valve had in a long time. Wildcard-Matches have been part of the TI till 2017.
It also ramps up the hype imo, underdogs battling during the wildcard, then battle royal for the group stage and eventually increasingly elite matches with higher and higher stakes. Not that I would watch all the wildcard qualifiers even when I was following dota closely but a good story telling is so important in (e)sports and adding a wildcard helps a lot in that regard, I don't know the exact expenses to pay the travel for extra teams though.
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Hype! Got to go to work right now though.
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Gah, I'll be the bitter person and complain about timing. All sources say the game should have started 17 minutes ago and it is looks nowhere near starting.
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no booth alone already ruins the entire ti experience. volvo & pgl suck.
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That bit with the flame towards sheepo cracked me up lmao
Usually you can see those switcheroos coming a mile away but they framed it so well
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It's been awhile since I've logged on TL! Just wanna say let's go LIQUID!
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Man, fiends gate is really good against rupture!
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idiot by aster to engage when the entire team were spread
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can confirm that was a typical canadian
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Liquid making a trend of just pushing down mid.
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kinda liking aster's draft here - maybe a game 3??
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liquid with the blue hero draft
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Lehsrac and Storm both kind of failed in that game.
They could perhaps have tried for splitting a bit more to delay when Aster had their strong timing.
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Matu not going home today!
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after that bad game 2.... YEAAAAH!!! Nightstalker win! wow
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what a performance from micke daaamn
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for a moment I thought theyre gonna rerelease the gaben announcer pack, Im so sad I missed it
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Last Chance qualifier games
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Solid performance by TL. Sad to see Aster go. With the seemingly declined strength of CN's teams and player bases, EU just seems very dominant right now and it's likely we shall see more EU final days in the future. The other regions (especially NA & SEA) just does not seem to be on the same level although SA showed some good spirits. Good for European fans but I worry the overall competitiveness will drop.
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Top 3 all from EU is interesting, strong performance from all of them.
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That hold from secret wow
tiny with a giant ring is rofl huge
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Wow, what a game 1. It really feels like Secret is fighting tooth and nail for that GF here. They do NOT want to go down to the lower bracket.
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that od pick was so filthy
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Tundra into the GRAND FINALS!
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Caught 1 minute of live doto
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On October 29 2022 21:33 nojok wrote:Caught 1 minute of live doto
Such is life in Europe...
We get fucked if the events are in Asia
We get fucked if the events are in NA
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NA tournaments are so much worse. 6 AM is doable on Saturday / Sunday, but maybe that's just me who doesn't have issues getting up early.
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Tomorrow is gonna be fucking exciting
Matu and Zai vs Nisha and Puppey. All 4 have been on the same team last year losing 3rd place.
Now they are fighting each other with the respective team for the chance of grand finals.
It is one of those who is left and who is right thing again
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Simple calculus says that puppey will get second place this TI!
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Gonna call it a 2-0 Secret > Liquid into a 3-1 Secret > Tundra.
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I'm going with "harmony" and think that all three teams can do it! This will be a blast tomorrow!
Sadly, because I will be driving to my family, I probably will miss most of the grand finals
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On October 30 2022 02:43 cecek wrote:
Gonna call it a 2-0 Secret > Liquid into a 3-1 Secret > Tundra.
I agree 2-0 secret, then 3-2 tundra
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Secret came to win today???
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I love Slacks so much. His jokes don't always land but he brings so much positive energy year after year
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they showed Insania, i saw Insania, he knows he's going to the final; it's over for Secret.
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Back and forth... what a game 3! That is a treat!
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Puppey really just first picks Enchantress and farms in an elimination game lmao.
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if Puppey wins this TI, he's gonna be the GOAT (mb he's already...).
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I hope he does!
puppey won this game 3 with his ench!
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Thanks Liquid, thanks Matu 🫡
Okay with either team winning the GF
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I think they cut the all-star match short! gg too early
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I missed the lower bracket final. Are the games worth watching?
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I could only watch game 3, but it was really good! That map I can recommend!
And to "now":
Man, will Tundra the first team since Liquid to 3:0 The International?
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On October 30 2022 19:33 graNite wrote:
I missed the lower bracket final. Are the games worth watching?
Games 1 and 2 were decent, but nothing special. Game 3 is definitely worth watching.
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On October 30 2022 21:06 Geisterkarle wrote:
Man, will Tundra the first team since Liquid to 3:0 The International?
yes
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NICE PRODUCTION VALUES VALVE AND PGL
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On October 30 2022 21:30 Faruko wrote:
NICE PRODUCTION VALUES VALVE AND PGL
and youtube is 5mins behind...
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On October 30 2022 21:32 LennX wrote:and youtube is 5mins behind...
I'm not being fair, i have to keep in mind that valve is a poor indie company
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Why did they rewind the stream lmao
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you know you fck up when independent streamer can broadcast better
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stream is stuck in valve time ROFL
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On October 30 2022 21:30 Faruko wrote:
NICE PRODUCTION VALUES VALVE AND PGL
Stream behind in-game by 7 full mins LOL
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This production is embarrassing.
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lmao the lag, swashbuckle takes 1 second to show the damage
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Secret took too many 4vs5 fights!
I'm not sure Naga can carry that...
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Ti quality is getting worse and worse each time tbh, peak ti was 2016 or 2017
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aui2k is a 2times TI winner!!!!
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The streak of Puppey continuing to improve on his TI positions continues. I would have not predicted Tundra to win TI in such dominating fashion, but they did it.
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Tundra doesnt even look impressed
bring me back the hype and the production and the good dota, this is just sad
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naga should have bought diffusal...
well played Tundra!
Young blood power!
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On October 30 2022 21:49 Faruko wrote:
Ti quality is getting worse and worse each time tbh, peak ti was 2016 or 2017
Yes, this TI was the worst in recent memory. Really feels like Valve stopped giving a fuck about TI, to be honest.
Ever since they stole the crowd-funded money and ran away with it for the 2020 TI, the production has been nothing but subpar and ass.
It's no fault of the teams but this particular final was also not very exciting. Tundra seemed to have all the answers and Secret never felt in control of the situation for longer than 10 minutes.
I'm honestly really glad I stopped supporting this shitshow with buying the battlepasses and bundles.
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PGL hasn't been a great organizer in years, maybe since 2018.
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The fact that teams who have been underwhelming for the whole year but steal TI is a disgrace to a competition. Winning underdog is fine, but when underdogs keep popping up while consistent teams keep falling apart means something wrong with the format. Of course, volvo punishes consistent teams with new drastic patch before TI thus TI is riddled with teams disposing their previous strategy and still figuring meta. Surprise is nice when it is unexpected, but team spirit and tundra winning leave a bad taste in my mouth.
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On October 30 2022 22:13 Snakesneaks wrote:
The fact that teams who have been underwhelming for the whole year but steal TI is a disgrace to a competition. Winning underdog is fine, but when underdogs keep popping up while consistent teams keep falling apart means something wrong with the format. Of course, volvo punishes consistent teams with new drastic patch before TI thus TI is riddled with teams disposing their previous strategy and still figuring meta. Surprise is nice when it is unexpected, but team spirit and tundra winning leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Tundra haven't been doing that bad, they only bombed out at Arlington. I would agree that Valve tinkers with the patches too much before TI, but this has been a norm since arguably TI3 or TI4. Just that it was especially bad this year with Marci and Primal Beast.
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what an awful tournament that was kept alive by the LCQ. Valve having stolen the 2020 TI money and then providing this leaves nothing but bile in my mouth.
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I don't know about the quality of TI, but the quality of discussion on TL forums certainly took a nose dive.
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On October 30 2022 22:13 Snakesneaks wrote:
The fact that teams who have been underwhelming for the whole year but steal TI is a disgrace to a competition. Winning underdog is fine, but when underdogs keep popping up while consistent teams keep falling apart means something wrong with the format. Of course, volvo punishes consistent teams with new drastic patch before TI thus TI is riddled with teams disposing their previous strategy and still figuring meta. Surprise is nice when it is unexpected, but team spirit and tundra winning leave a bad taste in my mouth.
I don't agree. Spirit was strong for a while after TI10 and even going into TI11. Tundra winning was only a small surprise given their form apart from the Arlington Major. And 2nd and 3rd were both heavyweight teams.
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Well the quality of this thread took a nose dive. Congrats to Tundra
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On October 19 2022 07:09 emperorchampion wrote:
EG all the way!!
My pre-tournament prediction was for spirit, now they're in the lower bracket I don't think they'll make it - would be epic to see though. In reality I don't want to get my hopes up for EG, I'm happy they made it through groups and gave us some good games. I'm gonna go with Tundra as my prediction.
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Tundra are preparation beasts so it was easy to predict they’ll do well when other teams don’t have time to adapt. Only thing was lan nerves that they’ve clearly worked on. This really comes as no surprise given the last like two years of results. From interviews they also seem like they’ve been the hardest working team over that period so well deserved!!
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On October 30 2022 22:13 Snakesneaks wrote:
The fact that teams who have been underwhelming for the whole year but steal TI is a disgrace to a competition. Winning underdog is fine, but when underdogs keep popping up while consistent teams keep falling apart means something wrong with the format. Of course, volvo punishes consistent teams with new drastic patch before TI thus TI is riddled with teams disposing their previous strategy and still figuring meta. Surprise is nice when it is unexpected, but team spirit and tundra winning leave a bad taste in my mouth.
‘Member last year when everyone was upset alliance made it to TI when tundra had just beat LGD in a tournament before TI? Tundra were no underdogs, just haven’t performed well in lan in the past.
I agree new patches may be too close to TI though, but idk how the players feel.
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