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Nigma Win the Bukovel Minor!

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jdc214
Profile Joined May 2010
United States122 Posts
January 13 2020 00:34 GMT
#1

Nigma wins
Bukovel Minor



Congratulations to Nigma for defeating RNG 3-1 in the Grand Finals of the Bukovel Minor! Nigma somehow pulled through in game 4, coming back from an over 30k net worth disadvantage. Incredible plays from MinD_ControL and GH were abound, so this is definitely a game worth watching in the vods.

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Winterhearted
Profile Joined October 2012
Ukraine28 Posts
January 13 2020 00:42 GMT
#2
45k net worth disadvantage Оо
melaodota
Profile Joined June 2019
Brazil17 Posts
January 13 2020 03:50 GMT
#3
1.Congratulations Nigma, and also WePlay: this was the best Minor I've ever experienced! Been watching since the first match of the tournament, production is on point. The fireworks at the end were beautiful (and must have awoken the whole city, as I think it was beyond 1AM on Ukraine?).
2.I've been wondering how much Neutral Items impacted the measure of Networth. Of course, it isn't the best way to measure advantage, as some heroes depends less on gold and have different timings, but still, looks like Networth has been less trustful on this Minor. Am I the only one who got this impression?
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-13 05:48:12
January 13 2020 05:47 GMT
#4
On January 13 2020 12:50 melaodota wrote:
1.Congratulations Nigma, and also WePlay: this was the best Minor I've ever experienced! Been watching since the first match of the tournament, production is on point. The fireworks at the end were beautiful (and must have awoken the whole city, as I think it was beyond 1AM on Ukraine?).
2.I've been wondering how much Neutral Items impacted the measure of Networth. Of course, it isn't the best way to measure advantage, as some heroes depends less on gold and have different timings, but still, looks like Networth has been less trustful on this Minor. Am I the only one who got this impression?

Neutral items are no joke for poor heroes. The thing is there is a net worth difference (as the other team also has neutral items), but that difference matters less as slots get filled out. In previous patches, those slots weren't so full but this patch has so many items to go around.

The invisible net worth actually makes a big difference for bounty calculations too.
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Mihai-Alexandru
Profile Joined May 2019
27 Posts
January 13 2020 06:14 GMT
#5
Correct title : RNG chokes and loses Minor...don't want to take anything from Nigma (particularly the ds comboes and disengages were sweet) but...2 throws with that much nw advantage....how often does that happen...and dear god...did they get lucky with the dd runes and neutral items on miracle especially (not saying that's the only reason they turned it). In any case, they have a whole major to prove how much luck was a part of it.
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
January 13 2020 07:24 GMT
#6
On January 13 2020 12:50 melaodota wrote:
1.Congratulations Nigma, and also WePlay: this was the best Minor I've ever experienced! Been watching since the first match of the tournament, production is on point. The fireworks at the end were beautiful (and must have awoken the whole city, as I think it was beyond 1AM on Ukraine?).
2.I've been wondering how much Neutral Items impacted the measure of Networth. Of course, it isn't the best way to measure advantage, as some heroes depends less on gold and have different timings, but still, looks like Networth has been less trustful on this Minor. Am I the only one who got this impression?

Awesome event, agreed. One of the best i've ever witnessed. Hope Bukovel get another one next year.
Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
January 13 2020 08:56 GMT
#7
This was indeed a great tournament, although the schedule looked a bit iffy. Playing till 04:00hrs AM in the morning is definitiely not fun at all for players and audience.

Game 2 and 4 of the grand final may already be candidates for match of the year. The resilience from Nigma to not give up although you are that far behind was just stunning. GH played a phenomenal series and MC is showing over and over again why he is apparently the best DS-player in this game. Nerf incoming...again!

A pity that RNG is not part of the Major as well, pretty sure they would have been able to make some upsets. Time to adjust my sleeping schedule that were some long days.
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Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-13 10:44:16
January 13 2020 10:43 GMT
#8
This tourney had really good production value but i would prefer they had better scheduling so we could see the best dota possible being played.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
January 13 2020 13:21 GMT
#9
On January 13 2020 15:14 Mihai-Alexandru wrote:
Correct title : RNG chokes and loses Minor...don't want to take anything from Nigma (particularly the ds comboes and disengages were sweet) but...2 throws with that much nw advantage....how often does that happen...and dear god...did they get lucky with the dd runes and neutral items on miracle especially (not saying that's the only reason they turned it). In any case, they have a whole major to prove how much luck was a part of it.

Always a question of defining a "throw", but the only real throw and wtf-moment for me was probably in game 2, when Setsu jumps his QoP on the highground near the Roshpit - without any support from his team - gets surrounded by all of Nigma and destroyed. And I think he didn't have buyback! What was that please?
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Mihai-Alexandru
Profile Joined May 2019
27 Posts
January 13 2020 14:53 GMT
#10
@Geiterkarle : He wanted to finish off gh i think it was, who was low and had no bb. That was the intent...he assumed he would retreat toward shrine, gh retreated towards where mid t2 was. Anyway, game 2 and 4 were RNG's to lose, and part of the reason most of us love this game is because how merciless it is. In a way, that was karma for the game 3 of the upper bracket final, where liquid threw it.
Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
January 13 2020 15:11 GMT
#11
Indeed RNG played nearly flawless games. Game 2 was a throw by Setsu ok, but Game 4? Dont know what they could have make better in that game, most of the engagements outside the base were won, they controlled the map and the pit, they had four heroes farming while only Miracle could keep up with them and he got countered hard by Spectre....maybe one of them should have bought an Euls or Rod of Atos to keep at least one of Nigmas heroes in position and force them to fight, but that MC/GH-combo was just perfectly played not much you can do about it once youre BKBs are gone.

Nobody knows better than Nigma what a farmed Drow can do to your base if she is being unattended for one minute when you have messed up a highground-push...from their seven losses, four were against a Drow lineup.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
Qualitaetsgarant
Profile Joined April 2018
124 Posts
January 13 2020 16:05 GMT
#12
RNG could definetly close out game 4.
As dumb as it might sound: With 40k advantage you can get 2 Meteor Hammer and 2 Aether lens and just hammer their structures from behind.
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
January 13 2020 16:07 GMT
#13
didnt expect RNG to choke that hard and Nigma to get their shit together.
I am happy for them, GG Nigma!
But also a little sad for RNG, hope they dont disband, they are close before becoming strong.
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
January 13 2020 16:42 GMT
#14
The neutral items that Nigma got was something else tho thx icefrog!
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
January 13 2020 17:37 GMT
#15
On January 14 2020 01:42 wims80 wrote:
The neutral items that Nigma got was something else tho thx icefrog!

Trolls gonna troll.
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
January 13 2020 17:52 GMT
#16
On January 14 2020 01:07 its_a_me wrote:
didnt expect RNG to choke that hard and Nigma to get their shit together.
I am happy for them, GG Nigma!
But also a little sad for RNG, hope they dont disband, they are close before becoming strong.


Not to surprised, they did throw games the whole tournament, on the flip side they look the best most of it.
They remind me of old Alliance.
GO OG
calippo
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2525 Posts
January 13 2020 19:23 GMT
#17
congrats on starting a bo5 final at 20.00 CET, fuckin stupid
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Omega92
Profile Joined August 2019
6 Posts
January 13 2020 19:26 GMT
#18
So apparently late game drow > late game spectre, welcome to 2020
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
January 13 2020 19:43 GMT
#19
Small drow nerf before the major?
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3613 Posts
January 13 2020 22:48 GMT
#20
On January 14 2020 01:05 Qualitaetsgarant wrote:
RNG could definetly close out game 4.
As dumb as it might sound: With 40k advantage you can get 2 Meteor Hammer and 2 Aether lens and just hammer their structures from behind.


That's a weird solution but at least an answer to the question I've been wondering for the last 24 hours, so thanks.
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
January 14 2020 08:31 GMT
#21
On January 14 2020 01:05 Qualitaetsgarant wrote:
RNG could definetly close out game 4.
As dumb as it might sound: With 40k advantage you can get 2 Meteor Hammer and 2 Aether lens and just hammer their structures from behind.

valve should just combine the two items into Meteor Hammer 2
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44122 Posts
January 14 2020 08:41 GMT
#22
This has been a great minor overall like almost all games looked close even with all the nigma series which bodes well for the scene in general how close the level of play looked for everybody (even Nigma winning didnt look far ahead to their competitors)

Tho i wish Nigma didnt win. All the other possible winners wouldve made a far more interesting major in general
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hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
January 14 2020 08:58 GMT
#23
On January 14 2020 17:41 goody153 wrote:
This has been a great minor overall like almost all games looked close even with all the nigma series which bodes well for the scene in general how close the level of play looked for everybody (even Nigma winning didnt look far ahead to their competitors)

Tho i wish Nigma didnt win. All the other possible winners wouldve made a far more interesting major in general

what do you mean? i think from all the teams at the minor Nigma has by far the best chance of performing well at the major.
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
January 14 2020 16:28 GMT
#24
But Nigma also has the abillity to choke harder then EG.
So i wouldnt say they will perform best but they have by far the best chance to win the hole thing.
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
January 15 2020 00:15 GMT
#25
Always find it weird that opposition "throws" in any way lessen the achievement of the winners in esports. Particularly when it's a single mistake in a 3+ hour long series.

You next to never see it in sports. The closest I can think of is Gerrard slipping against Chelsea but it's mostly used to troll Liverpool fans, no one questions City deserving the title that year.
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