Dota Patch 7.10

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

March 01 2018 20:19 GMT

Dota Update
7.10

7.10:
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* Enabled Dark Willow in Captain's Mode

* Bounty Rune base gold bounty increased from 50 to 60 (affects runes after the first one)
* Bounty Rune no longer gives XP. Previously gave 0 at the start and increased by 7 per minute.
* Tome of Knowledge XP bonus increased from 500 to 700

* Melee Creeps gold bounty reduced by 1 (reduced from 41 to 40)

* Randoming now gives a Faerie Fire instead of a branch
* Bonus hero count increased from 10 to 12

* Aeon Disk: Cooldown reduced from 100 to 90

* Boots of Speed: Cost increased from 400 to 500
* Boots of Speed: Movement bonus increased from 40 to 50
* Phase Boots: Movement bonus increased from 45 to 50
* Power Treads: Movement bonus increased from 45 to 50

* Animal Courier: Flying Courier movement speed increased from 450 to 460

* Monkey King Bar: Added a sound effect for successful procs

* Soul Ring: Health cost increased from 150 to 170

* Abaddon: Level 15 Talent increased from +50 Mist Coil Heal/Damage to +60
* Abaddon: Level 20 Talent increased from +15% Cooldown Reduction to +20%
* Abaddon: Level 25 Talent reduced from +250 Aphotic Shield Health to +225

* Alchemist: Level 20 Talent increased from +25% Cleave to +30%

* Ancient Apparition: Level 15 Talent increased from -1.5s Ice Vortex Cooldown to -2.5s
* Ancient Apparition: Level 25 Talent changed from 4 Charges of Cold Feet to 900 AoE Cold Feet

* Anti-Mage: Level 10 Talent changed from +175 Health to +10 Strength
* Anti-Mage: Level 15 Talent changed from -2s Blink Cooldown to +400 Blink Cast Range
* Anti-Mage: Level 20 Talent increased from +300 Blink Cast Range to -2.5s Blink Cooldown

* Arc Warden: Level 10 Talent changed from +5 Armor to 8% Cooldown Reduction
* Arc Warden: Level 15 Talent increased from +2s Flux Duration to +3s
* Arc Warden: Level 20 Talent increased from +100 Attack Range to +125
* Arc Warden: Level 20 Talent changed from +10% Cooldown Reduction to -1.5s Spark Wraith Cooldown

* Axe: Level 15 Talent increased from +30 Movement Speed to +40

* Bloodseeker: Bloodrage now heals you for 50% of its value if you do not get the last hit but are within 300 AoE of a dying hero.

* Centaur Warrunner: Level 20 Talent increased from +250 Double Edge Damage to +300

* Clinkz: Strafe projectile dodge count increased from 3 to 4
* Clinkz: Level 15 Talent increased from +15% Evasion to +20%

* Crystal Maiden: Level 10 Talent increased from +200 Health to +250
* Crystal Maiden: Level 15 Talent increased from +90 Gold/Min to +120

* Dark Seer: Level 20 Talent increased from +300 AoE Surge to +400

* Dazzle: Base movement speed increased from 305 to 310
* Dazzle: Level 20 Talent increased from +30 Poison Touch DPS to +45

* Doom: Base Intelligence increased by 2
* Doom: Level 10 Talent changed from +25 Movement Speed to +16% Scorched Earth Movement Speed

* Dragon Knight: Agility gain reduced from 2.2 to 2.0
* Dragon Knight: Level 10 Talent changed from +30 Attack Speed to -20% Breathe Fire Damage Reduction

* Drow Ranger: Level 15 Talent increased from +400 Gust Distance/Knockback to +550
* Drow Ranger: Level 20 Talent increased from +2s Gust Duration to +3s

* Ember Spirit: Sleight of Fist bonus hero damage increased from 25/50/75/100 to 30/60/90/120

* Enchantress: Nature's Attendants manacost increased from 125 to 140

* Gyrocopter: Improved visual effect for Flak Cannon projectiles
* Gyrocopter: Homing Missile bounty increased from 25 to 50
* Gyrocopter: Homing Missile cooldown increased from 20/17/14/11 to 26/21/16/11

* Invoker: Level 10 Talent from +0.3s Tornado Lift Time to +0.5s
* Invoker: Level 15 Talent from +1.5s Cold Snap Duration to +2.5s
* Invoker: Cataclysm Sunstrikes spawn distance is now slightly closer to each target (from 175-250 distance away to 160-220)

* Io: Tether duration increased from 12 to 14

* Jakiro: Level 10 Talent increased from +25% XP to +30%
* Jakiro: Level 15 Talent increased from +250 Attack Range to +300

* Kunkka: Tidebringer damage increased from 25/45/65/85 to 25/50/75/100

* Leshrac: Lightning Storm manacost rescaled from 90/100/110/120 to 75/90/105/120

* Lich: Level 25 Talent from Attacks Apply 30% MS and AS Slow to 40%

* Lina: Level 10 Talent increased from +100 Cast Range to +125
* Lina: Level 10 Talent increased from +25 Damage to +30
* Lina: Level 15 Talent increased from +300 Health to +350
* Lina: Level 20 Talent increased from +10% Spell Amplification to +12%

* Lion: Mana Drain slow increased from 14/16/18/20 to 16/19/22/25%
* Lion: Level 10 Talent increased from +75 Damage to +90
* Lion: Level 15 Talent increased from +90 Gold/Min to +120

* Lone Druid: Spirit Bear health regeneration increased from 4/5/6/7 to 5/6/7/8
* Lone Druid: Level 15 Talent increased from -8s Savage Roar Cooldown to -12s

* Luna: Level 15 Talent from -3s Lucent Beam Cooldown to -4s

* Lycan: Base damage reduced by 3

* Magnus: Base strength increased by 1
* Magnus: Level 25 Talent increased from +0.75s Reverse Polarity to +1s

* Mirana: Starfall manacost from 100/120/140/160 to 80/105/130/155
* Mirana: Level 25 Talent increased from -70 Moonlight Shadow Cooldown to -80

* Monkey King: Base damage increased by 2
* Monkey King: Fixed Mischief not showing the right particles for the first bounty rune
* Monkey King: Level 10 Talent increased from +150 Tree Dance Vision AoE to +300
* Monkey King: Level 15 Talent increased from +300 Tree Dance Cast Range to +600
* Monkey King: Level 20 Talent increased from +300 Primal Spring Damage to +400

* Morphling: Morph can now be toggled to go back and forth from the original target until the duration runs out. Has a 1 second toggle cooldown.

* Naga Siren: Sleep buff linger time reduced from 0.5 to 0.4
* Naga Siren: Song of the Siren manacost increased from 100 to 100/150/200

* Nature's Prophet: Wraith of Nature cooldown reduced from 70/65/60 to 60
* Nature's Prophet: Level 10 Talent increased from +30 Movement Speed to +40
* Nature's Prophet: Level 15 Talent increased from +8 Armor to +10

* Necrophos: Level 15 Talent changed from +30 Movement Speed to +16% Ghost Shroud Slow
* Necrophos: Level 15 Talent changed from +300 Health to +40 Death Pulse Heal

* Ogre Magi: Level 20 Talent increased from +30 Strength to +40

* Omniknight: Purification cooldown increased from 11/10/9/8 to 11

* Oracle: Turn rate improved from 0.5 to 0.7
* Oracle: Intelligence growth increased from 2.9 to 3.2

* Outworld Devourer: Astral Imprisonment manacost increased from 120/140/160/180 to 140/160/180/200
* Outworld Devourer: Level 10 Talent increased from +200 Health to +250

* Phantom Assassin: Stifiling Dagger Talent now has a 300 cast range buffer for the secondary target

* Phantom Lancer: Level 25 Talent increased from -5s Doppelganger Cooldown to -7s

* Phoenix: Level 15 Talent changed from +40% XP Gain to +500 Health
* Phoenix: Level 20 Talent increased from +1s Supernova Stun Duration to +1.25s

* Pudge: Rot slow reduced from 20/24/28/32% to 17/22/27/32%

* Razor: Static Link manacost increased from 50 to 65

* Riki: Level 15 Talent increased from -5s Smokescreen Cooldown to -7s

* Rubick: Level 15 Talent increased from -35 Fade Bolt Hero Attack to -45

* Shadow Demon: Level 10 Talent increased from +25% XP Gain to 30%
* Shadow Demon: Level 25 Talent changed from +5s Disruption Banish Duration to 2 Charges of Disruption

* Shadow Fiend: Shadow Raze damage increase per stack reduced from 80 to 50/60/70/80

* Skywrath Mage: Level 15 Talent increased from -6s Ancient Seal Cooldown to -8s

* Slardar: Level 10 Talent increased from +20 to +25 Damage

* Slark: Level 10 Talent increased from +8 Strength to +10

* Spectre: Level 25 Talent increased from +20% Haunt Illusion Damage to +40%

* Sven: Level 15 Talent changed from +30 Damage to Storm Hammer Dispels Enemies
* Sven: Level 20 Talent changed from Storm Hammer Dispels Enemies to -5s Storm Hammer Cooldown
* Sven: Level 25 Talent changed from -9s Storm Hammer Cooldown to +0.75s Storm Hammer Stun Duration

* Terrorblade: Base HP regen reduced from 3.25 to 3.0
* Terrorblade: Reflection no longer reduces attack speed

* Tinker: Laser Scepter bounce radius reduced from 650 to 400
* Tinker: Laser manacost increased from 95/120/145/170 to 110/130/150/170
* Tinker: Level 20 Talent from +100 Damage to +10 Armor

* Tiny: Tree Grab cooldown increased from 18/16/14/12 to 24/20/16/12

* Treant Protector: Level 10 Talent changed from +35% XP Gain to +2 Living Armor Block Instances
* Treant Protector: Level 15 Talent improved from 3s Tree Respawn Time to 2s
* Treant Protector: Level 25 Talent changed from +6 Living Armor Block Instances to 700 AoE Living Armor (heroes and buildings)

* Troll Warlord: Level 10 Talent increased from +200 Health to +250
* Troll Warlord: Level 15 Talent increased from +50 Whirling Axes Damage to +75

* Undying: Level 10 Talent increased from +100 Cast Range to +150
* Undying: Level 15 Talent increased from +20 Decay Duration to +30
* Undying: Level 20 Talent increased from +3 Tombstone Attacks to +4

* Ursa: Fury Swipes Roshan duration increased from 6 to 10

* Venomancer: Level 15 Talent increased from +150 Cast Range to +200
* Venomancer: Level 20 Talent increased from +6s Poison Nova Duration to +7s
* Venomancer: Level 25 Talent increased from +600 Poison Nova AoE to +800

* Visage: Soul Assumption Talent now has a 300 cast range buffer for the secondary targets
* Visage: Added secondary ability on Visage to make the nearest Familiar land each time it is clicked.

* Warlock: Level 10 Talent increased from +125 Cast Range to +150
* Warlock: Level 15 Talent increased from +40% XP Gain to +60%
* Warlock: Level 20 Talent increased from +250 Shadow Word AoE to +300

* Weaver: Level 10 Talent increased from +25% XP Gain to +35%

* Windranger: Shackleshot Manacost reduced from 90/100/110/120 to 70/85/100/115
* Windranger: Level 20 Talent increased from +0.5s Shackleshot Duration to +1s

* Winter Wyvern: Arctic Burn manacost reduced from 120/110/100/90 to 90
* Winter Wyvern: Level 10 Talent increased from +50 Damage to +60

* Wraith King: Level 15 Talent changed from +5 Max Skeletons to +25 Skeletons Attack Damage
* Wraith King: Level 20 Talent changed from +30 Skeletons Attack Damage to 2x Skeletons Spawned

* Zeus: Level 25 Talent increased from +200 Cast Range to +275

http://www.dota2.com/news/updates/

Sbrubbles

Brazil5776 Posts

March 01 2018 20:28 GMT

Enabled Dark Willow in Captain's Mode

1st pick material for sure

GOHF

United States1864 Posts

March 01 2018 20:39 GMT

I'm surprised they're not making Bedlam tied to Aghs Scepter. It should be.

neozxa

Indonesia545 Posts

March 01 2018 20:40 GMT

yeah i kinda prefer the old updating style to be honest

an update per 2 weeks when the meta hasnt even been fixed yet is pretty...unexciting. its like they're shoving us what to do instead of making us innovate and find out new ways to deal with problem heroes.

Baozi

United States1191 Posts

March 01 2018 20:47 GMT

Surprised at the number of changes. Looking forward to Dark Willow though.

Papercappu

Canada2210 Posts

March 01 2018 21:00 GMT

icefrog actually think 5 second cd sunder with 0 manacost & 6 second cd reflection with illusions that deal 100% damage to every single enemy is balanced. bye

Fleetfeet

Canada2717 Posts

March 01 2018 21:02 GMT

No xp bounty runes is the most interesting change to me. All the roles I play are pretty inclined to grab bounties as much as possible, I'm curious how much the lack of xp is gonna hurt them. I'm imagining its only really gonna suck for hard roamers like BH or ES where your xp was limited to bounty runes and hero kills (aside from a little lane leech here and there). Having that just be hero kills makes the hero kills even harder to get.

its like an anti-roamer change.

Ramiz1989

12124 Posts

March 01 2018 21:05 GMT

A lot of changes. Some really weird ones. Like Spectre is one of the best late game heroes, she has troubles in the early game and transitioning into mid/late, why buff her late game talent(sure it was underpicked) to absurd amount? She will start killing whole teams again with just one button...

Tinker +100 damage talent to +10 armor, like I know it wasn't picked and it wasn't even useful but now he has that option and Tinker didn't need any buffs...

Pudge rot slow nerfed further, ok...

Necrophos was nerfed into oblivion before, I like that they are changing his talents to buff specific spells instead of raw stats talents, but he needed those 2 talents quite a lot, so don't know how I feel about it.

Terrorblade isn't nerfed NEARLY enough...

SF finally nerfed how he should have been nerfed for quite some time, never understood why stack damage is the same from level 1 and always said that it should be nerfed before anything else.

Zea!

9589 Posts

March 01 2018 21:15 GMT

Willow is straight OP right now, ban every game incoming

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

March 01 2018 21:33 GMT

#10

On March 02 2018 06:05 Ramiz1989 wrote:
A lot of changes. Some really weird ones. Like Spectre is one of the best late game heroes, she has troubles in the early game and transitioning into mid/late, why buff her late game talent(sure it was underpicked) to absurd amount? She will start killing whole teams again with just one button...

haunt illusion damage is hilariously irrelevant lol. not only does the change not matter, but nobody intelligent has ever taken that talent in the first place.

idk why dark willow is in CM though, thats' just stupid

wims80

1892 Posts

March 01 2018 21:34 GMT

#11

* Morphling: Morph can now be toggled to go back and forth from the original target until the duration runs out. Has a 1 second toggle cooldown.

seems kind of overpowered, at least for high skill players

Ramiz1989

12124 Posts

March 01 2018 22:00 GMT

#12

On March 02 2018 06:33 Sn0_Man wrote:

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I actually think you have no clue what you are talking about Spec, but ok, no point in arguing. :D

Zea!

9589 Posts

March 01 2018 22:07 GMT

#13

Don't like at all no XP runes as a support

thug life

Ramiz1989

12124 Posts

March 01 2018 22:47 GMT

#14

On March 02 2018 07:07 Zea! wrote:
Don't like at all no XP runes as a support

thug life

Yeah I don't like that change either, maybe lower the exp more, completely removing it kills the game for roamers.

Shikada

Serbia976 Posts

March 01 2018 22:51 GMT

#15

Morphling is pretty insane :D

intotheheart

Canada33091 Posts

March 01 2018 22:54 GMT

#16

Is the DK change a buff or a nerf? I can't really tell.

Yurie

12087 Posts

March 01 2018 23:33 GMT

#17

What do these buffers mean?

Phantom Assassin: Stifiling Dagger Talent now has a 300 cast range buffer for the secondary target

Ramiz1989

12124 Posts

March 02 2018 00:00 GMT

#18

On March 02 2018 08:33 Yurie wrote:
What do these buffers mean?

Phantom Assassin: Stifiling Dagger Talent now has a 300 cast range buffer for the secondary target

It has 300 more range than the main dagger so it can hit target up to 300 range further away from the primary target.

Same for Visage's Soul Assumption.

GOHF

United States1864 Posts

March 02 2018 00:13 GMT

#19

On March 02 2018 07:54 intotheheart wrote:
Is the DK change a buff or a nerf? I can't really tell.

I'm seeing it as a nerf. 30 attack speed is a lot for a Strength hero at level 10, especially since DK wants to utilize his ultimate to take towers. Seeing as the Breathe Fire talent also competes with the pointless Mana Regen talent (Soul Ring is too good on this hero), this might be a talent choice you could away with putting off until level 14 or so.

bigbadchen

53 Posts

March 02 2018 00:29 GMT

#20

I can see tomes are reserved to level hungry heroes like omniknight. 700 xp is no joke. This buff can be abused for heores that rely on nukes.

Ramiz1989

12124 Posts

March 02 2018 00:42 GMT

#21

On March 02 2018 09:13 M.S.Bismarck wrote:

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It is a nerf in that regard, when you look at him as a core/carry(pos 1 or 2), but as pos 3 when he goes for something like Blink/Shadow Blade/Halberd, he is more of a space creator than damage dealer, as other pos 3 heroes, so I would say it is a buff there. I mean Breath of Fire was changed few patches ago to be 25% all attack damage reduction, not just base damage, which means it reduces damage from items, auras and the rest. That being buffed to 45% is really damn big, it has nice duration as well so it basically halves the damage of any carry.

On March 02 2018 09:29 bigbadchen wrote:
I can see tomes are reserved to level hungry heroes like omniknight. 700 xp is no joke. This buff can be abused for heores that rely on nukes.

On one hand yes, on the other hand with the changes to bounty runes no longer giving exp, we will have a lot of starved roamers and offlaners when it comes to XP, so we will see which heroes will the teams prioritize for the tomes.

intotheheart

Canada33091 Posts

March 02 2018 00:49 GMT

#22

Would it be useful in laning? I only play him in mid, but I tend to max Dragon Blood because I'm a wimp.

Ramiz1989

12124 Posts

March 02 2018 01:00 GMT

#23

On March 02 2018 09:49 intotheheart wrote:
Would it be useful in laning? I only play him in mid, but I tend to max Dragon Blood because I'm a wimp.

I mean you will max Dragon Blood to the level 10 anyway? Or at least get it to level 3, with 4-1-3-1 and talent point at level 10.

If you still didn't take tower at that point sure it can help, but it is even stronger later in the game.

intotheheart

Canada33091 Posts

March 02 2018 01:07 GMT

#24

Well, I mean going 1-1-4-1 and then getting 3-1-4-1 + talent, usually. I also play in a 5-stack most of the time. Should I change into 4-1-1-1 -> 4-1-3-1, or just keep laning with what I'm comfortable with?

GOHF

United States1864 Posts

March 02 2018 01:12 GMT

#25

If you're going mid and you feel the need for extra sustain, getting three/four points in Dragon's Blood is perfectly fine. I had to do this lately because I was up against a Huskar.

Ramiz1989

12124 Posts

March 02 2018 01:40 GMT

#26

On March 02 2018 10:07 intotheheart wrote:
Well, I mean going 1-1-4-1 and then getting 3-1-4-1 + talent, usually. I also play in a 5-stack most of the time. Should I change into 4-1-1-1 -> 4-1-3-1, or just keep laning with what I'm comfortable with?

It's fine if you are getting pressured, but a bit of a waste when you are playing against mid that can't kill/harass you enough. Maxing Breath of Fire first helps you with clearing waves faster, pushing faster with Dragon form, you can even jump to the jungle in between waves with Breath of Fire maxed to kill few neutrals there as well.

I usually go 2-1-2 at level 5, ulti at 6, then depending on the lane I would continue my build accordingly. There were games where I didn't get even one point in stun at all until level 8 or 9 because I didn't have any kill potential whatsoever(was against Timber mid).

I think that skill build has become a really important part of Dota, especially nowadays where laning phase is incredibly important and starting lanes can decide outcome of the game. You can always go with what you are comfortable but experimenting, theory-crafting and changing your skill build after you look at their draft and the bigger picture(thinking about what their heroes can do, if they can gank, will they group to push etc.) will definitely help you improve and become a better player.

intotheheart

Canada33091 Posts

March 02 2018 02:15 GMT

#27

I'll try 2-1-2 next time I play DK, and see how that goes. You typically always end up with 4-1-4 anyway, right? I couldn't imagine a situation where I'd want more Dragon Tail damage over the other two in laning.

GOHF

United States1864 Posts

March 02 2018 03:18 GMT

#28

On March 02 2018 10:40 Ramiz1989 wrote:
I think that skill build has become a really important part of Dota, especially nowadays where laning phase is incredibly important and starting lanes can decide outcome of the game. You can always go with what you are comfortable but experimenting, theory-crafting and changing your skill build after you look at their draft and the bigger picture(thinking about what their heroes can do, if they can gank, will they group to push etc.) will definitely help you improve and become a better player.

This is a really important note, and one of the reasons why I stopped following guides. Holding points until you see your match up is a very simple, but very "makes you look less nooby" approach. And as long as you can justify it, there really isn't a wrong skill progression line (unless it's something obviously bad; I played a game where our DK mid maxed Dragon Tail first for some reason while completely skipping Breathe Fire).

That being said, I still view Dragon Knight as a siege tank. I haven't run him offlane because when I do play that role, I tend to go more for *fun* heroes like Brewmaster.

ahw

Canada1099 Posts

March 02 2018 04:04 GMT

#29

45% reduction in an aoe is crazy good

Arc warden might be good again. I think books are under utilized on him now, maybe that build will resurface.i don’t think there’s a better first item on him impact wise (after Midas). And I’m weird but I pretty much always went for spark wraith at 25 and now with the 20 talent, caster arc with octo and shit might be viable

Also the roaming meta is gunna be wonky. If you buy boots first, your 5 pos is gunna still be support whoring even harder, kind of negates the lower chicken cost from last patch

Darpa

Canada4413 Posts

March 02 2018 04:49 GMT

#30

Happy that they gave base damage, but i wish they would just change these talents completely.

They are terrible, and they are buffing them to encourage use because literally nobody ever takes them, but they are still terrible. This is because 4 position monkey king is terrible and there is literally never a reason to pick it because there is just so many other options that do a better job of everything than a 4 monkey king.

If you are going core monkey king, your team needs damage, and you almost have HAVE to get the other talents to maintain your damage. Maybe you might see some people pick primal spring but 50% bonus to stun is just so much better when you have a few items and you need burst. Seriously, Tree dance/primal spring build of monkey king is really really bad as a core... and he just doesnt have the right tools to be anything else.

Monkey King: Level 10 Talent increased from +150 Tree Dance Vision AoE to +300 Monkey King: Level 15 Talent increased from +300 Tree Dance Cast Range to +600 Monkey King: Level 20 Talent increased from +300 Primal Spring Damage to +400

gohphan91

1 Post

March 02 2018 04:57 GMT

#31

On March 02 2018 07:00 Ramiz1989 wrote:

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I actually think you have no clue what you are talking about Spec, but ok, no point in arguing. :D

As far as I know, illusion damage are based on hero base damage and agi stat. Unless spectre decided to buy diffusal, skadi and butterfly, it won't make damage boost higher than a single diffusal.

sunrazgriz

Vatican City State1573 Posts

March 02 2018 05:07 GMT

#32

WR buffed again

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

March 02 2018 06:07 GMT

#33

Tb barely touched, Medusa no changes. Willow added without balance. Cool....

How does the naga song interaction work with meteor hammer now?

Also I want my random back. Keep the extra items maybe, but I want to be able to random any hero....

babysimba

10466 Posts

March 02 2018 06:20 GMT

#34

Meteor hammer song combo nerfed. Enemies now have 0.1s to use their items to save themselves like euls, blink, glimmer.

Icefrog is trying hard to kill roaming and buff static laning. Another indirect buff to chinese dota.

HeYmaney

Switzerland193 Posts

March 02 2018 06:26 GMT

#35

On March 02 2018 07:07 Zea! wrote:
Don't like at all no XP runes as a support

thug life

100% same here. I don't understand this change actually.

uthgard

2098 Posts

March 02 2018 07:57 GMT

#36

did icefrog just added dark willow to cm without a single nerf? really? lol

Fleetfeet

Canada2717 Posts

March 02 2018 08:21 GMT

#37

On March 02 2018 15:26 HeYmaney wrote:

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100% same here. I don't understand this change actually.

It seriously feels like its directed at preventing pudge/bounty/tusk/etc from running around the map ganking like crazy people and still maintaining some semblance of exp gain.

Looking at the math tho it isn't that big of a deal. lvl 2-3 is 480 exp, and getting both 4 minute and both 6 minute bounties for a lane is 140 exp. Sure its a bit but it really isn't that big of a deal.

Sapaio

Denmark2037 Posts

March 02 2018 08:29 GMT

#38

On March 02 2018 13:57 gohphan91 wrote:

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As far as I know, illusion damage are based on hero base damage and agi stat. Unless spectre decided to buy diffusal, skadi and butterfly, it won't make damage boost higher than a single diffusal.

You right, saw some of Purge thoughts on patch yesterday. He did a test on spec with agi items and was crazy good that talent, but useless with radiance. Maybe diffusal will be the new thing ,mana drain the whole enemy team could be usefull.

Frogstomp

United States125 Posts

March 02 2018 08:43 GMT

#39

but at the cost of 8% extra dispersion, which is damage and tank? for 40% extra illu damage on your illusions that last 7 seconds every two minutes???

Sapaio

Denmark2037 Posts

March 02 2018 09:10 GMT

#40

think it can be pretty powerfull in team fight if it let you take out backline. Also with refresher orb in game you can really seige the high ground with it.
But what good is a late game talent if you already lost or so fare behinde that it doesn't matter. Have anybody tried agi items to see if Spectre can be more useful early game?

Ramiz1989

12124 Posts

March 02 2018 09:45 GMT

#41

On March 02 2018 17:43 Frogstomp wrote:
but at the cost of 8% extra dispersion, which is damage and tank? for 40% extra illu damage on your illusions that last 7 seconds every two minutes???

But you won't always have a use for that talent. If you are playing against Viper, Doom with Aghs, or multiple Silver Edge heroes they will break your dispersion in the fight and just kill you, at that point your level 25 talent is just useless. And you will probably be 5 or 6 slotted the time you reach level 25 as Spec.

You are going to stack agi anyway later in the game, having Treads, Radiance, Skadi, Butterfly, Manta, Diffusal/Eblade have your illusions deal ridiculous amounts of damage even without that talent, with that talent I think that only tanks can stay alive. Include Refresher in the backpack, and with 2 ulties that deal 80% of your damage, you can literally wipe whole team.

Dispersion will still be better talent because of the nature of the Spectre, with other build that you will probably go with Heart, Blade Mail if needed, Nullifier(she is probably one of the best Nullifier carries in the game), but this illusion damage talent is very far from bad, it is actually amazing in right circumstances.

Latham

9578 Posts

March 02 2018 10:18 GMT

#42

Mmm I dunno about these changes personally, but I think these 2-week patches are pushing the envelope a bit too far. Like someone before me said, the meta hasn't fully developed from the past changes and we are already seeing new ones, drastic or otherwise. I do not think this is healthy for this game.
Sure, do mini-patches with quick bugfixes and necessary quick hero nerfs but let the players figure out something before you decide to flip it on its head.

deadmau

960 Posts

March 02 2018 11:03 GMT

#43

On March 02 2018 15:20 babysimba wrote:

Icefrog is trying hard to kill roaming and buff static laning.

I love meta control, doesn't remind me of any other game of any sort that does this type of thing =x

Really nothing terrible out of this patch, still trending poorly overall.

ihatevideogames

570 Posts

March 02 2018 13:41 GMT

#44

TB and Razor slight nerfs only.
Tinker slight nerfs, lvl 20 talent change is arguably a buff.

Why Necro nerfed?

edit: Isn't the roaming nerf kind of an indirect buff to TB as well?

evanthebouncy!

United States12796 Posts

March 02 2018 16:15 GMT

#45

500 gold boots

bounty rune no exp

g g roaming supports

DavoS

United States4605 Posts

March 02 2018 21:19 GMT

#46

Bounty runes were the only reason I stayed relevant as pos 5 in pubs. I cant farm when the other 4 heroes on my team are all carries icefrog, I needed that xp!
And these Jakiro changes are stupid that hero does not need any buffs rn

GOHF

United States1864 Posts

March 02 2018 22:00 GMT

#47

So one thing that wasn't touched on is Ember Spirit's Sleight of Fist being buffed two patches in a row. Can we finally see a proper comeback of Battlefury Spirit?

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

March 02 2018 22:15 GMT

#48

On March 03 2018 07:00 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
So one thing that wasn't touched on is Ember Spirit's Sleight of Fist being buffed two patches in a row. Can we finally see a proper comeback of Battlefury Spirit?

Unlikely, they massively nerfed bf sof a while back when they changed the direction of the hits.

Chewbacca.

United States3634 Posts

March 03 2018 02:35 GMT

#49

On March 02 2018 07:47 Ramiz1989 wrote:

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Yeah I don't like that change either, maybe lower the exp more, completely removing it kills the game for roamers.

Not sure if I agree. Seems like it has become way too easy for position 4/5s to get exp and gold. I kind of liked the older days where 2-3 "good" items weren't all but guaranteed for a support. Feels more rewarding making big plays with minimal items.

nothingmuch

448 Posts

March 03 2018 14:10 GMT

#50

On March 02 2018 09:29 bigbadchen wrote:
I can see tomes are reserved to level hungry heroes like omniknight. 700 xp is no joke. This buff can be abused for heores that rely on nukes.

No dude, you save the tome for your +60% xp warlock to get him to 25 instantly !

neozxa

Indonesia545 Posts

March 03 2018 20:24 GMT

#51

im not really fond on how they're killing off the roaming support role with the bounty rune change. though some people might disagree with me on this though.

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

March 03 2018 21:42 GMT

#52

Personally, the boots change is a lot bigger than the xp nerf to bounty.

villainzilla

Philippines192 Posts

March 04 2018 01:50 GMT

#53

it's back to the same damage ember had on release, it's interesting

Darpa

Canada4413 Posts

March 04 2018 20:22 GMT

#54

anyone notice obscenely long que times this patch? like there is 450k players on right now and its taking 10-15 min ques at 4k

Zea!

9589 Posts

March 04 2018 21:26 GMT

#55

On March 05 2018 05:22 Darpa wrote:
anyone notice obscenely long que times this patch? like there is 450k players on right now and its taking 10-15 min ques at 4k

I noticed a terrible quality of games, 10 straight stomps win into 10 straight stomp losses.....

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