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On February 15 2018 08:37 Fleetfeet wrote:
I co/owned and ran a business when I was 23-26. I ran into life problems that made that not possible.
I now literally work at a starbucks making -maybe- a quarter of what I used to make. It's been almost 3 years since I started working at a starbucks, and I haven't quit because it's actually so fucking comfy.
The non-transferrable skills debate and financially sustainable life thing... I lived through that. Accepting that what you used to do is no longer a thing you can do wasn't anywhere near as hard as I thought it would be, nor was adjusting my lifestyle to meet my means.
The parts that I don't relate to on a personal level is being a celebrity. Otherwise, its actually freeing to realize you don't need to work your ass off as hard as you did and stress until it breaks you. You can slow your life down, focus on things that are important to you on a personal level, and actually take the time to enjoy stuff.
If you're suddenly 35 and have been fully irresponsible with your early career years then sure you're in trouble, but that's true regardless. Otherwise they'd probably be in a situation like I am, where I could afford to go to school if I wanted to and have a ton of freedom to further explore who I am and what I want to be when I grow up. And I turn 30 in a few months.
If you don't mind me asking, is accepting that fact and adjusting the lifestyle not "as hard as [you] thought it would be" due to the reality of money anchoring everything down, or was it something else?
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Money doesn't anchor everything down imo. Money enables you to do things you want to do, and I've made a strong effort to not be tethered to objects via money. It isn't the money that anchors you down, it's the -things- attached to it. Peoples phones cost them hundreds of dollars a month because they have a contract that forces them into that position. Do you need that contract? Did you need that phone? Mortgages / houses, same thing. It is unrealistic to basically every anywhere buy a house w/o a mortgage, but the big question I would need to answer first is "Am I okay being stuck here for the next many years?" because you literally anchor yourself to a location if you buy property.
So me as a person has made choices that lead to me not being anchored down by money. It was the many luxuries I afforded myself when I could afford them that I thought I would miss a lot more than I actually did, hence it being way easier for me to "be poor" than I thought it would be.
Not 100% sure I know what you mean by "The reality of money anchoring everything down" but that's what I took from it :D
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To me this description of an athlete who goes through university and then makes millions a year and has a pension plan seems like an American phenomenon. For example in soccer all over the world people go all in really young. Some make it really big, some end up making an okay living but not really getting rich. They may transition to something related to the sport, but it doesn't seem like a very easy transition either. The skills of a coach or a broadcaster (or the life of one) are not that similar to one of a player. You will have to learn new things and apply yourself to become good at those things.
I think partly the perspective on this will shift as esports just ends up being around as a phenomenon longer. It remains to be seen how long different games stick around and what sort of opportunities form around them. And it also won't seem so weird for someone to be a former dota or cs pro looking to do other stuff.
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On February 15 2018 08:51 Fleetfeet wrote:
Money doesn't anchor everything down imo. Money enables you to do things you want to do, and I've made a strong effort to not be tethered to objects via money. It isn't the money that anchors you down, it's the -things- attached to it. Peoples phones cost them hundreds of dollars a month because they have a contract that forces them into that position. Do you need that contract? Did you need that phone? Mortgages / houses, same thing. It is unrealistic to basically every anywhere buy a house w/o a mortgage, but the big question I would need to answer first is "Am I okay being stuck here for the next many years?" because you literally anchor yourself to a location if you buy property.
So me as a person has made choices that lead to me not being anchored down by money. It was the many luxuries I afforded myself when I could afford them that I thought I would miss a lot more than I actually did, hence it being way easier for me to "be poor" than I thought it would be.
Not 100% sure I know what you mean by "The reality of money anchoring everything down" but that's what I took from it :D
No that's exactly what I meant by it, thanks!
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On February 15 2018 08:53 spudde123 wrote:
To me this description of an athlete who goes through university and then makes millions a year and has a pension plan seems like an American phenomenon. For example in soccer all over the world people go all in really young. Some make it really big, some end up making an okay living but not really getting rich. They may transition to something related to the sport, but it doesn't seem like a very easy transition either. The skills of a coach or a broadcaster (or the life of one) are not that similar to one of a player. You will have to learn new things and apply yourself to become good at those things.
I think partly the perspective on this will shift as esports just ends up being around as a phenomenon longer. It remains to be seen how long different games stick around and what sort of opportunities form around them. And it also won't seem so weird for someone to be a former dota or cs pro looking to do other stuff.
Yea it's a fairly standard NA thing I guess. Pretty much all big NA sports require you to play a bit in College/Uni with the exception of Hockey players who usually go into the WHL/AHL instead. Basketball will occasionally pick up kids straight out of high school but it's definitely not the norm. Maybe it's happened in the NFL before, but I'm gonna say it probably hasn't.
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Really I think this whole discussion has more to do with a general disconnect in perspective and the immense importance "many/most" in society place on financial security/long term stable incomes. (Which as an aside is in large part because of the pervasiveness of long term monthly debt.) I run into this ALL the time in my life, and many people just don't understand "how you can sleep at night" without this sort of long term stability. If you have to, just take my word for it, but there are people who find this of secondary importance and its not because they are "stupid".
It REALLY depends on what you want out of life. And different people have different priorities. Sure these people are making some sacrifices now and in the future, and yes maybe some of them were too young to fully appreciate them, but acting like choices are "wrong" JUST because they are different than what you or many people would do is in itself not exactly a hallmark of intelligence. I'm not saying all life choices are legitimate either obviously, but there is more than one way to live a successful life and there are certainly different measures for success.
In this discussion, I think criticizing/speculating on the futures of the players who have "made it" is beyond ridiculous. Its a bit more reasonable to be concerned about what happens with those who try and fail, but that happens in all walks of life. You can try and fail at working a normal career path too.
Specifically this notion that after 10 years, you have nothing on your resume but "champion video game player" and that is "worthless" is beyond stupid. NEVER underestimate the value of actually having achieved something, fulfilled dreams, and especially accomplishing actual greatness at something you care about. You have that for the rest of your life, and no one can take it away from you. It boggles my mind that some people don't understand this, and I can really just conclude that they are different from me and view life/the world through a completely different lens. Which is ok, as long as you don't think its the only valid one.
Finally from a purely practical note, just because these people choose to spend a period of their lives playing video games for a living, in no way are they guaranteed to be mortgaging the entirety of the rest of their lives. To be quite honest playing video games and living at home for four years to chase your dream could very well be less damaging to your future than spending four years living the undergrad life with no real guarantee of applicability to your future and a high probability of significant debt.
Disclaimer: I fully intended to go to school for 9 years to get a phd "just because" (with no debt) then not use it, and go back to being a commercial fisherman which is in itself EXTREMELY unstable and uncertain. So to many of you I'm just stupid. Whereas I think that anyone who finances a phone/car/furniture/etc or basically anything but a house or a business and views it only as a monthly payment is trapping themselves in a cage forever. Different worldviews. Let people have them. World needs both types.
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On February 15 2018 09:32 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2018 08:53 spudde123 wrote:
To me this description of an athlete who goes through university and then makes millions a year and has a pension plan seems like an American phenomenon. For example in soccer all over the world people go all in really young. Some make it really big, some end up making an okay living but not really getting rich. They may transition to something related to the sport, but it doesn't seem like a very easy transition either. The skills of a coach or a broadcaster (or the life of one) are not that similar to one of a player. You will have to learn new things and apply yourself to become good at those things.
I think partly the perspective on this will shift as esports just ends up being around as a phenomenon longer. It remains to be seen how long different games stick around and what sort of opportunities form around them. And it also won't seem so weird for someone to be a former dota or cs pro looking to do other stuff. Yea it's a fairly standard NA thing I guess. Pretty much all big NA sports require you to play a bit in College/Uni with the exception of Hockey players who usually go into the WHL/AHL instead. Basketball will occasionally pick up kids straight out of high school but it's definitely not the norm. Maybe it's happened in the NFL before, but I'm gonna say it probably hasn't.
The only reason it doesnt happen in NFL is because its not allowed, the players aren't draft eligible out of high school (not till 3 years after graduation in fact i think since 1990) and it was VERY prevalent in the NBA (almost all superstar level players) until they also made it not allowed there more recently. The rules are slightly different between leagues but you can look them up. My only point being that these sports actually did make rules seemingly to protect the players from themselves/people trying to take advantage of them when they were at an age perceived to be too young to protect their interests. That's the theory, in practice there is lots of other reasons too.
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I'm aware of those rules in the NFL. I just didn't know if it's happened in the past or not. I also wasn't sure how old those rules were. The thing about Football though is that even if it was allowed I don't think it would be that common. Football relies on speed/size too much. The amount of strength/size/speed football players develop after high school is incredible. If you're NFL ready during high school you're probably gonna kill someone lmao 
Had no idea that rule is in the NBA now btw. Interesting.
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Loved reading your thoughts Atreides. I think we share a lot of views on the subject.
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I love you Atreides
#YesHomo
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you dear Scots, has anything changed with the broadcasting of BBC radio Scotland? Since a week or so I've been getting more and more "this programme is not available from your location" announcements, whereas before that it usually was restricted to sportsound coverage... :-/
It's my favourite radio :-/ :-/
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On February 15 2018 21:28 Artisreal wrote:
you dear Scots, has anything changed with the broadcasting of BBC radio Scotland? Since a week or so I've been getting more and more "this programme is not available from your location" announcements, whereas before that it usually was restricted to sportsound coverage... :-/
It's my favourite radio :-/ :-/
i dont tend to listen/watch much mainstream but im gonna assume the BBC started some sort of crackdown on content access or something
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darth is a good twitter account (spams a bit tho)
edit: keeping politics outside this thread might be a good idea
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On February 16 2018 00:23 2009 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2018 21:28 Artisreal wrote:
you dear Scots, has anything changed with the broadcasting of BBC radio Scotland? Since a week or so I've been getting more and more "this programme is not available from your location" announcements, whereas before that it usually was restricted to sportsound coverage... :-/
It's my favourite radio :-/ :-/ i dont tend to listen/watch much mainstream but im gonna assume the BBC started some sort of crackdown on content access or something
Didnt they explicitly have the iPlayer for distributing content outside of the UK?
EDIT: Memehammer QW-Invoker is winning a game in DreamLeauge. Prepare your anus in pubs.
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At least get it on has regular listeners from abroad and it is appreciated.
A crackdown would also roll out in waves if bbc4 runs just fine for me at the moment.
I hope for a, as the nice announcement voice says, for a temporary technical problem and not for the rights reasons. I wonder what those might be for a news report.
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hmmm today is patch day and idiots r still campaigning for techies in cm
man people r dumb
also memehammer q/w invoker sounds incredibly stupid and way too fun
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idk topson does this build 100% of the time
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you'd have to have a lot of experience with invoker to know your tornado duration well enough to hit meteor hammers after it consistently at various levels. But obviously the pros can do it.
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well he also maxes q first so its kinda the same also its not really that hard
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