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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 14 2018 18:34 GMT
#186381
Ah okay, and am I right in saying there is also a win condition of just wiping out the enemy team?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 14 2018 18:44 GMT
#186382
Defenders, yes. If it is a bomb match, the attackers still need to plant the diffuser, and the defenders need to destroy it if it is planted.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
February 14 2018 19:08 GMT
#186383
I know of Siege as the hipster CS:GO with destructible walls and the game that made a pretty good rehabilitation to the fans because Ubisoft made a concerted effort to fix the game's flaws. Though its price tag is a pretty big turn off.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 14 2018 19:11 GMT
#186384
It goes on sale so often, so its pretty easy to pick up. I like that they run the game with yearly releases, like new maps and operators. Very upfront about what you are getting into.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 14 2018 19:19 GMT
#186385
siege is that consensus great game that nobody plays I thought

i'd probably try it if it wasnt ubisoft xd when they get rid of uplay we can talk.
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-14 19:55:01
February 14 2018 19:23 GMT
#186386
Siege is really good to be honest

I just think it's way too complicated for new players also it has some fundamental flaws for a game that Ubisoft wants to push to be a big game in the esport scene, like hit detection or extreme bugs like bombs doing a 180° a exploding in your face (no joke)
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 14 2018 19:24 GMT
#186387
On February 15 2018 04:19 Sn0_Man wrote:
siege is that consensus great game that nobody plays I thought

i'd probably try it if it wasnt ubisoft xd when they get rid of uplay we can talk.

It is one of those games that a lot of people play and we never hear about. Sort of like Path of Exile.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-14 19:48:55
February 14 2018 19:47 GMT
#186388
Siege is super fun
Kinda doubt it has competitive potential because the audience is split too many ways and it has a fairly steep learning curve
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 14 2018 20:03 GMT
#186389
These epicenter spots uhhh those are some damn drunk russians
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
February 14 2018 20:07 GMT
#186390
The same drunk Russian?
passive quaranstream fan
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
February 14 2018 20:29 GMT
#186391
I just read through merlini's post and everything he said was stuff that I had deliberated two or three years ago, right down to the parents to the comparison with peers to the mortgage and kids

hope he does well cause that shit weighs heavy on you
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
February 14 2018 20:34 GMT
#186392
On February 15 2018 05:29 andyrau wrote:
I just read through merlini's post and everything he said was stuff that I had deliberated two or three years ago, right down to the parents to the comparison with peers to the mortgage and kids

hope he does well cause that shit weighs heavy on you

I think there is a lot of space to talk about the talents behind every e-sport, because they're the hidden workhorses that are often neglected. Everyone talks big about the prize pools and salaries of the players, but the talents are often so precariously employed or paid it's concerning. The sacrifices they make, or the fear that they won't transition out of casting or creating content once their choice of game dies out, and if they don't have back-ups or transferable life skills to another career.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
February 14 2018 20:50 GMT
#186393
On February 15 2018 05:34 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2018 05:29 andyrau wrote:
I just read through merlini's post and everything he said was stuff that I had deliberated two or three years ago, right down to the parents to the comparison with peers to the mortgage and kids

hope he does well cause that shit weighs heavy on you

I think there is a lot of space to talk about the talents behind every e-sport, because they're the hidden workhorses that are often neglected. Everyone talks big about the prize pools and salaries of the players, but the talents are often so precariously employed or paid it's concerning. The sacrifices they make, or the fear that they won't transition out of casting or creating content once their choice of game dies out, and if they don't have back-ups or transferable life skills to another career.

yea I always catch myself wondering about their futures not only for casters, but for people that stream
say they're crippled by carpal tunnel at age 45 that prevents them from streaming every day
wtf do you do at that point? they're at least 20 years from retirement, and they're not popular enough to have substantial savings.
you're basically fucked

I guess you could move to a country where cost of living is super low like Italy or some shit
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
February 14 2018 20:53 GMT
#186394
Lol cost of living in Italy and low
passive quaranstream fan
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
February 14 2018 20:56 GMT
#186395
? you could live pretty decently on 2k euro a month
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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
February 14 2018 20:58 GMT
#186396
It isn't easy for loads of players either. The prize pools in dota are great for the top players, but under them there are multiple times more who basically play full time and have nothing to show for it money wise. Of course this is the case in sports and some other professions too (not really familiar with the music world but I'd assume there's loads of artists basically scraping by through some small gigs hoping to make it big), but it varies how many can really make it. Dota is particularly top heavy because all big events are global and there's no regional leagues with good viewership which would allow for a certain number of players from each region to make a living. There's little incentive for viewers to watch some event with lower tier teams when there's an event with the best teams soon after, whereas in team sports typically people have a local team they support.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 14 2018 21:14 GMT
#186397
I remember someone asked what it was like to be in an Esports professional, player or caster. One response was: Feudalism. Kinda summed it up. Valve be the lord and people should be grateful Gaben allows them to live on the fertile land of Dota.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
February 14 2018 21:20 GMT
#186398
On February 14 2018 10:21 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2018 09:56 2009 wrote:
rip merlini i guess

rip eieieio

oh my god rip me
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
February 14 2018 21:20 GMT
#186399
On February 15 2018 05:56 andyrau wrote:
? you could live pretty decently on 2k euro a month

And that should be significantly above average wage in Italy..
Of course you can live off it. But there's not much room for saving or eating out, vacationing, you know, that life stuff.
Maybe having a nice flat or a car. Children not to speak of.
Unless you appreciate living with your parents
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 14 2018 21:22 GMT
#186400
On February 15 2018 05:50 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2018 05:34 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On February 15 2018 05:29 andyrau wrote:
I just read through merlini's post and everything he said was stuff that I had deliberated two or three years ago, right down to the parents to the comparison with peers to the mortgage and kids

hope he does well cause that shit weighs heavy on you

I think there is a lot of space to talk about the talents behind every e-sport, because they're the hidden workhorses that are often neglected. Everyone talks big about the prize pools and salaries of the players, but the talents are often so precariously employed or paid it's concerning. The sacrifices they make, or the fear that they won't transition out of casting or creating content once their choice of game dies out, and if they don't have back-ups or transferable life skills to another career.

yea I always catch myself wondering about their futures not only for casters, but for people that stream
say they're crippled by carpal tunnel at age 45 that prevents them from streaming every day
wtf do you do at that point? they're at least 20 years from retirement, and they're not popular enough to have substantial savings.
you're basically fucked

I guess you could move to a country where cost of living is super low like Italy or some shit

Yeah I honestly wonder how streamers plan for the future, if they do at all. I'm sure they may think to branch to other activities using a similar skillset, but it's hard to imagine how many transferrable skills they have if they're full-time. I know some of them are part-time and don't worry about it, but for the full-time ones, if I had to guess, they just plan on doing brand ambassador type of work if they get popular.
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