EPTOfficial 'what is Dota anymore' discussion - Page 524
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ahswtini
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Gosi
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On February 17 2015 21:19 spudde123 wrote: But I don't think inviting EG or not has anything to do with the growth of the NA scene. LANs are not big enough for there to be slots for several NA teams. If EG is invited, then there will be no NA qualifier for many events. The only choice is to have them play there as well if you want to give the other teams at least a chance. But as I wrote above, this doesn't mean that the qualifier format should be a 8 team round robin where EG is treated the same as eHug or Wheel gaming. If you want to give more NA teams chances to get to LANs, then you simply have to have LANs that have more slots for NA teams. Either NA focused LANs like ESL NY where 3/8 teams where NA, or simply bigger LANs (at least 16 teams rather than 4-8), so that you have room to invite the top teams like EG and still have qualifiers for the other teams to play in. if they're really only holding NA quals to get EG then they should stop wasting everyone's time and just invite EG and STOP WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME. Its not like Europe is fucking magical either. Lets have every tournament just invite secret and EG and say fuckoff to everyone else, right? Or, since tournaments should want EG no matter what, they could invite EG, and still have an NA qual and get an interesting team, and maybe ahve an underdog thing going on, like what hellraisers and PR and shit have been doing the past few months FOR FUCKS SAKE. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
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dismiss
United Kingdom3341 Posts
Also, comparing a, mostly single player, sport with an Elo rating list to a teamgame with a different tournament structure is fucking stupid. lel | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On February 17 2015 21:19 dismiss wrote: CL invite slots are based off of the past success of the national league though, rather than that of the individual teams right? So Germany/England/Spain get more because they historically have more teams who perform well in the Champions League. To stick with that analogy, EG has the bad luck to be a top team from Romania rather than one from those countries. Sure, but my main point at least in my head was that teams are seeded based on their success last season (and then it depends on what slots the actual country has of course). This isn't something unheard of in sports, but instead is very common practice. It's not only EG that isn't getting invites to a lot of events, noone is. If you want to have the top teams/players play in multiple tournaments, you simply can't put them through all the qualifying rounds as well, because they don't have time for it. And moreover from a viewer's perspective I would easily prefer having the top teams play less games so that hype could build up before LANs over having them constantly play games online. But as I said, even if you can't straight up invite teams then at least have qualifiers with multiple stages so that the top teams only join in the last stage and play less games than the other teams. This would allow organizers to get top teams into their events because they would actually have time for them, and still keeps the qualifiers open for other teams to grab the spot if they can manage to do so. But I suppose tournament organizers like to have their large round robins with the top teams playing because it brings more viewer interest for the qualifiers, but I don't think it's sustainable if every tournament wants to do the same thing. | ||
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dismiss
United Kingdom3341 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On February 17 2015 21:32 dismiss wrote: Fuck yeah America, all slots to thee. Also, comparing a, mostly single player, sport with an Elo rating list to a teamgame with a different tournament structure is fucking stupid. lel I JUST WANT TWO SLOTS IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR NO C9 DOESN'T FUCKING COUNT. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On February 17 2015 21:29 Shaella wrote: Also if the bar for a team to get into a tournament now is to beat EG thats fucking INSANE and you know it. I really don't see the point you are making in either of your posts. The other NA teams are in the tournament, they are allowed to play in the online phase. If the LAN itself has 4, 6 or 8 teams (1 of which comes from NA), how else are you going to do it rather than have EG play the qualifiers? As I said, if you want to give NA teams more LAN chances then the choices are either to prioritize NA teams in terms of who gets the spots (like ESL NY had 3 NA teams and only 1 Asian team, which is imo completely fine for an NA event), or have bigger LANs so each region may have more teams in them. If you have a LAN of 4-8 teams in Europe, it's likely that there will only be one spot for an NA team. And then to get that spot you have to beat EG in the qualifier. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On February 17 2015 21:42 spudde123 wrote: I really don't see the point you are making in either of your posts. The other NA teams are in the tournament, they are allowed to play in the online phase. If the LAN itself has 4, 6 or 8 teams (1 of which comes from NA), how else are you going to do it rather than have EG play the qualifiers? As I said, if you want to give NA teams more LAN chances then the choices are either to prioritize NA teams in terms of who gets the spots (like ESL NY had 3 NA teams and only 1 Asian team, which is imo completely fine for an NA event), or have bigger LANs so each region may have more teams in them. If you have a LAN of 4-8 teams in Europe, it's likely that there will only be one spot for an NA team. And then to get that spot you have to beat EG in the qualifier. GOT IT, SO FOR ANY TEAM TO MAKE ANY MONEY THEY SHOULD HAVE TO BEAT EG FIRST. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
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dismiss
United Kingdom3341 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On February 17 2015 21:47 Jinxed wrote: Let's go easy on the caps lock there Shaella. i blame sleep deprivation and this fucking panic attack that has kept me awake and thus the cycle repeats | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On February 17 2015 21:50 dismiss wrote: On an unrelated note, who really wants to watch ehug vs fire all the time, instead of eg vs c9? idk new ehug is pretty exciting i prefer leviathan to FIRE tho. And there's gonna be merloobi's team as well. | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
Honestly though, for European tournaments it's more understandable to force EG through qualifiers. The fact is that you're only inviting 1 NA team usually so I can't say I blame TOs for doing that. Sure it doesn't 'help' the NA scene, but if you only have 1 spot you can't just invite EG because of who they are. EG should however get automatic invite to (almost) any NA event. Though I do wonder how The Summit will handle it for their upcoming tournament. | ||
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goody153
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On February 17 2015 21:50 dismiss wrote: On an unrelated note, who really wants to watch ehug vs fire all the time, instead of eg vs c9? i'm ok watching ehug vs fire remember alliance vs na'vi after TI3 .. since they don't happen super often back then games were hyped | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On February 17 2015 21:44 Shaella wrote: GOT IT, SO FOR ANY TEAM TO MAKE ANY MONEY THEY SHOULD HAVE TO BEAT EG FIRST. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. I'm not sure why you seem to think I'm somehow against NA teams getting spots or making money. That isn't at all the case. I find it natural that an American event would have more spots for NA teams, EU event would have more spots for EU teams, and Chinese event would concentrate on Chinese teams. Each different event then has certain number of slots for teams from the other regions. It isn't a big surprise if a 4 team EU LAN event has only 1 spot for an NA team (like D2CL). An 8 team EU event will have 1 or 2 spots for NA teams (like SL or Dreamleague), depending on how they want to prioritize the regions. I guess things were skewed by 1 team in a few events like DAC and Dreamleague because organizers put c9 in the NA region, but I doubt that is happening again | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
On February 17 2015 21:22 ahswtini wrote: How many pro sports force everyone to qualify? From the sports I watch, tennis grand slams seed the top x players, snooker seeds the top players etc... Tennis seeds the top players but it's based on a point system, it's not just some arbitrary "C9 and EG are good, seed them" system like tournaments sometimes have. Also does anyone have any idea what's actually involved in snooker. No looking it up. I honestly have no clue. is it like cribbage on horseback or something | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
it sounds very British. | ||
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