EPT6.82 Balance Changes and Discussion Thread - Page 95
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On September 27 2014 17:17 nojok wrote: So many hipsters saying this gold/xp bounty is fine "we know doto better, patch always looks bad but always delivers, you're so dumb". Can you please stop with this? It's just some arrogant nonsense, no need to be a pro to acknowledge the numbers are insane. This new aoe bounty is just plain stupid and will be heavily reduced before long, you can't totally change the gold distribution behaviour without totally messing the power curve of almost all heroes. Fully agree with this. Balance changes to heroes/items is one thing, but this bounty change is so fundamentally impacting the way you need to approach the game, especially the early game, that it's just not giving the other changes a fair chance to be tested. As a support player, I feel dejected. All the hard work you'd put into early rotations/smokes/ganks/pulls are offset by one bad teamfight or one of your carry players overextending once and bam! it's a 2-3k gold swing if not worse, and all that early game work is undone. At this rate I can't even bother putting effort into the early game, more than babysitting my carry. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On September 27 2014 17:17 nojok wrote: So many hipsters saying this gold/xp bounty is fine "we know doto better, patch always looks bad but always delivers, you're so dumb". Can you please stop with this? It's just some arrogant nonsense, no need to be a pro to acknowledge the numbers are insane. This new aoe bounty is just plain stupid and will be heavily reduced before long, you can't totally change the gold distribution behaviour without totally messing the power curve of almost all heroes. I dunno how much you were involved in the sc2 threads, but a lot of the same people who assured us that sc2 was actually healthy are now in here assuring us that we can't possibly know what the result of this change to bounty is. I think they think being contrary for the sake of being contrary is intelligent. To me it reminds me of climate change deniers. "We can't know anything, time will tell." | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
On September 27 2014 18:40 bo1b wrote: I dunno how much you were involved in the sc2 threads, but a lot of the same people who assured us that sc2 was actually healthy are now in here assuring us that we can't possibly know what the result of this change to bounty is. I think they think being contrary for the sake of being contrary is intelligent. To me it reminds me of climate change deniers. "We can't know anything, time will tell." oh god please | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
Expecting plansix to come in here any moment. | ||
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Capz
98 Posts
This gold/xp change is so fucking bullshit its ridiculous. I love everything about it except this retarded change. Even chinese players on S-gamer forums that have played dota for years are joking about "before only ZSMJ-god could farm a 7 minute relic, now everyone can get it in 7 seconds". | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
On September 27 2014 18:40 bo1b wrote: I dunno how much you were involved in the sc2 threads, but a lot of the same people who assured us that sc2 was actually healthy are now in here assuring us that we can't possibly know what the result of this change to bounty is. I think they think being contrary for the sake of being contrary is intelligent. To me it reminds me of climate change deniers. "We can't know anything, time will tell." Because being a whiny bitch about something nobody knows much is definitely the best attitude to have. And comparing the sc2 balance team to Icefrog, please. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
but its ok, the SC players are here to tell me about dota. | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
On September 27 2014 18:48 Shaella wrote: still have yet to suffer a rubberbanding game. but its ok, the SC players are here to tell me about dota. thats the bad thing when a game gets so popular  edit: my games were pretty normal aswell. the games we had a lead and lost happened because some people like to die 1v5 over and over again | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On September 27 2014 18:47 Gevna wrote: Because being a whiny bitch about something nobody knows much is definitely the best attitude to have. And comparing the sc2 balance team to Icefrog, please. How much evidence needs to be gathered to point out a stupid change is stupid though? Vengeful spirit got 2k for free two nights ago off one kill in the early stages of the game. People are intentionally feeding in order to get enourmous bounties, like at what point is someone allowed to stand back and say this is stupid? Do we have to wait for the pros? Because they've done it as well, check out some starladder games for reference. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On September 27 2014 18:34 bo1b wrote: Your right, it's one teamfight. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/923781042 You guys were getting your asses kicked to hell and back and then the YOLO plays started and the other team got punished. Also you still lost. icefrog pls I think they think being contrary for the sake of being contrary is intelligent. Please, tell us why we are saying things you probably know better than we do. Seriously this is no way to have any kind of conversation. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
I have never seen that, and you should realize why that's an awful strategy. Like... Oh my god. You do not comprehend how ridiculous you sound right now. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
made a few yolo plays? Because as far as I can tell this whole patch whining is mostly people being upset that they can't just stupidly yolo dive in once they're 10k up | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
On September 27 2014 18:49 bo1b wrote: How much evidence needs to be gathered to point out a stupid change is stupid though? Vengeful spirit got 2k for free two nights ago off one kill in the early stages of the game. People are intentionally feeding in order to get enourmous bounties, like at what point is someone allowed to stand back and say this is stupid? Do we have to wait for the pros? Because they've done it as well, check out some starladder games for reference. I've watched like 15 pro games of 6.82 and surprisingly beside what all the cryingbabies say they looked pretty normal to me. The best team won, the insane comebacks did not occur and there wasnt any ultra passive play. Maybe EG vs SNA g5 showed some passive play, but it's only one game, and EG playing conservative before ending a game is nothing new. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On September 27 2014 18:56 Shaella wrote: have you considered that the rebound happened because the other team played poorly? made a few yolo plays? Because as far as I can tell this whole patch whining is mostly people being upset that they can't just stupidly yolo dive in once they're 10k up I don't think anything but poor plays happen at my mmr  I just think getting 5k-6k gold off one team fight and suddenly being equal to the other because of one shitty play is a bit much.Maybe I'm wrong, I like the other changes, I really really like the change to rosh, but maybe the gold and xp changes are proven to not cause stupid things over time. I hope so. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
ok. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On September 27 2014 19:05 Shaella wrote: so apparently punishing mistakes more makes dota more like league ok. That's putting words in my mouth lol | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
Holy god i've actually seen people say that Sorry, didn't mean to accuse you of anything | ||
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