6.82 Balance Changes and Discussion Thread - Page 58

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Daralii

United States16991 Posts

September 25 2014 19:17 GMT

#1141

Venge can stack Dire ancients from the tower with Wave of Terror: http://imgur.com/a/w563V

Koerage

Netherlands1220 Posts

September 25 2014 19:17 GMT

#1142

On September 26 2014 04:02 SoylentGamer wrote:

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massive, massive buff, if he gets BKB, he will be nigh invulnerable.

i thought it was an enhancement to his current agh's, not a completely new one?

SoylentGamer

United States250 Posts

September 25 2014 19:19 GMT

#1143

On September 26 2014 04:17 Koerage wrote:

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i thought it was an enhancement to his current agh's, not a completely new one?

Yes, if he has Agh's and BKB, he's nearly invulnerable when he ulti bkbs

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

September 25 2014 19:20 GMT

#1144

On September 26 2014 04:01 ahw wrote:

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he got buffed

he will likely have a teir 1 tower after 5 mins

And cheaper TP scrolls to make it easier for support to defend that tier 1 tower.

tehh4ck3r

Magrathea7043 Posts

September 25 2014 19:27 GMT

#1145

On September 26 2014 04:15 SoylentGamer wrote:
What is the cooldown on crimson guard? against normal creeps, that's enough damage block to basically render them invulnerable to opposing creeps.

AFAIK CG only applies to heroes and not to creeps

Koerage

Netherlands1220 Posts

September 25 2014 19:30 GMT

#1146

On September 26 2014 04:27 tehh4ck3r wrote:

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AFAIK CG only applies to heroes and not to creeps

i think i read the effective CD is the same as the timer on mek and pipe - you cannot get buffed by it again XX seconds after having the buff. its 50secs i believe?

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

September 25 2014 19:31 GMT

#1147

Its like people haven't actually read the patchnotes and would rather ask us than read the patchnotes.

SoylentGamer

United States250 Posts

September 25 2014 19:32 GMT

#1148

On September 26 2014 04:27 tehh4ck3r wrote:

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AFAIK CG only applies to heroes and not to creeps

Right right. If it did affect creeps, it would be really broken because it basically would mean you could solopush a lane by crimson guarding the creeps repeatedly, and since your creeps wouldn't die and would hardly be harmed by tower damage it would mean huge wave stacks.

Kinetik_Inferno

United States1431 Posts

September 25 2014 19:32 GMT

#1149

I think this meta is going to be one of pretty intensive early fighting. Not pushing, but fighting. Maybe you win a teamfight and then mow down a tower afterward.

Remember, gold is still at a high passive gain from a few patches ago. And with the new gold distribution, things can flip flop more easily. It takes fewer good teamfights to send things going in one teams favor.
Two runes means that your mid will have double their mana and health sustain, or now a support can have part of it too.
The changed trees on the offlanes will allow mid to gank it more easily, the era of farming mids is over. A farming mid will be outclassed by a queen of pain who is getting both runes and ganking so much in so little time.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

September 25 2014 19:32 GMT

#1150

On September 26 2014 04:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
Its like people haven't actually read the patchnotes and would rather ask us than read the patchnotes.

Everyone wants to be Purge and Tobi.

SoylentGamer

United States250 Posts

September 25 2014 19:33 GMT

#1151

On September 26 2014 04:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
Its like people haven't actually read the patchnotes and would rather ask us than read the patchnotes.

or maybe my connection is filtered and I cannot read what the real patch notes because the copied version on this site doesn't contain crimson guard information.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

September 25 2014 19:35 GMT

#1152

On September 26 2014 04:32 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:
I think this meta is going to be one of pretty intensive early fighting. Not pushing, but fighting. Maybe you win a teamfight and then mow down a tower afterward.

Remember, gold is still at a high passive gain from a few patches ago. And with the new gold distribution, things can flip flop more easily. It takes fewer good teamfights to send things going in one teams favor.
Two runes means that your mid will have double their mana and health sustain, or now a support can have part of it too.
The changed trees on the offlanes will allow mid to gank it more easily, the era of farming mids is over. A farming mid will be outclassed by a queen of pain who is getting both runes and ganking so much in so little time.

Wrong, you only get more gold if ur behind and less gold if ur ahead. Basically the team that has the initiative now gets LESS reward for fighting and the team that is behind has MORE reward for fighting but they can't force fights cuz they are behind
Wrong, you already had constant bottle available with bottle crowing. Mid's sustain is unaffected. However, roaming heroes now benefit far more from bottles.
Wrong. Its now harder to gank since there are far more escape paths. The access paths are the same.

SoylentGamer

United States250 Posts

September 25 2014 19:37 GMT

#1153

On September 26 2014 04:35 Sn0_Man wrote:
bottle crowing.

no.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

September 25 2014 19:39 GMT

#1154

whats ur issue?

ZasZ.

United States2911 Posts

September 25 2014 19:40 GMT

#1155

On September 26 2014 04:35 Sn0_Man wrote:

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Wrong, you only get more gold if ur behind and less gold if ur ahead. Basically the team that has the initiative now gets LESS reward for fighting and the team that is behind has MORE reward for fighting but they can't force fights cuz they are behind
Wrong, you already had constant bottle available with bottle crowing. Mid's sustain is unaffected. However, roaming heroes now benefit far more from bottles.
Wrong. Its now harder to gank since there are far more escape paths. The access paths are the same.

I don't think it's fair to say that mid's sustain is unaffected because of bottle crowing. It's not always possible, or practical (especially in pubs) to bottle crow. Having a guaranteed rune and filled bottle every 2 minutes will be nice and definitely affects the mid matchup more than you let on.

SoylentGamer

United States250 Posts

September 25 2014 19:41 GMT

#1156

On September 26 2014 04:39 Sn0_Man wrote:
whats ur issue?

Bottle crowing means a rarely available courier. 2 runes means more available courier, which means the rest of the team can put it to better use.

FHDH

United States7023 Posts

September 25 2014 19:43 GMT

#1157

On September 26 2014 04:40 ZasZ. wrote:

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Yeah having comparable mid sustain without bottle crowing is a boon to any team that would have made it possible and a boon to any mid that could not have reliably bottle crowed.

Also lol yes both offlanes are now more gankable which is an underdiscussed indirect nerf to Void (among others). The lane changes and rune changes changes the comparable viability of many heroes, saying otherwise is just lol-worthy.

Venge can stack Dire ancients from the tower with Wave of Terror: http://imgur.com/a/w563V

Should be fairly easy (though not as easy) from Radiant offlane as well.

Kipsate

Netherlands45349 Posts

September 25 2014 19:46 GMT

#1158

Securing runes as a support will be a lot more important now, the courier is slower so they can't make it up with bottle crow as well anymore when the support takes a rune.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

September 25 2014 19:46 GMT

#1159

Bottle crowing is now MUCH less practical, but thats made up for by the 2nd rune. There's no real difference in sustain available to mid heroes, in fact there's by and large LESS sustain available IMO since bottle crowing was better than getting a rune every 2 mins. And this is before you take into account supports and junglers going for the runes since it's now a guarantee.