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On September 24 2014 16:08 cecek wrote:
Tinker actually got nerfed pretty badly overall. Can't farm ancients, no self ethereal eblade, eblade projectile means you can't instantly eblade and dagon to do full damage, high level dagon is more mana expensive.
Tinker received the TI2 Morphling treatment, and he wasn't even that prevalent in games and had less of a winrate than water boy.
He got hit by the nerf hammer super hard probably because of the playstyle that he promoted and general lack of counterplay against March for poor supports and not necessarily for balance.
Sheepstick Tinker will probably become standard on him again though I doubt we will see him in professional matches any time soon.
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The more I think about this patch, the more I think clan_iraq is icefrog, or a really really close adviser to icefrog.
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On September 24 2014 16:08 cecek wrote:
Tinker actually got nerfed pretty badly overall. Can't farm ancients, no self ethereal eblade, eblade projectile means you can't instantly eblade and dagon to do full damage, high level dagon is more mana expensive.
What do you mean no self eblade?
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On September 24 2014 16:19 [17]Purple wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 16:08 cecek wrote:
Tinker actually got nerfed pretty badly overall. Can't farm ancients, no self ethereal eblade, eblade projectile means you can't instantly eblade and dagon to do full damage, high level dagon is more mana expensive. Tinker received the TI2 Morphling treatment, and he wasn't even that prevalent in games and had less of a winrate than water boy. He got hit by the nerf hammer super hard probably because of the playstyle that he promoted and general lack of counterplay against March for poor supports and not necessarily for balance. Sheepstick Tinker will probably become standard on him again though I doubt we will see him in professional matches any time soon.
This ain't even close to TI2 morph hammer. No hero has been hit that hard ever.
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On September 24 2014 16:22 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 16:19 [17]Purple wrote:On September 24 2014 16:08 cecek wrote:
Tinker actually got nerfed pretty badly overall. Can't farm ancients, no self ethereal eblade, eblade projectile means you can't instantly eblade and dagon to do full damage, high level dagon is more mana expensive. Tinker received the TI2 Morphling treatment, and he wasn't even that prevalent in games and had less of a winrate than water boy. He got hit by the nerf hammer super hard probably because of the playstyle that he promoted and general lack of counterplay against March for poor supports and not necessarily for balance. Sheepstick Tinker will probably become standard on him again though I doubt we will see him in professional matches any time soon. This ain't even close to TI2 morph hammer. No hero has been hit that hard ever.
does being removed from the game count?
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The ancient camps units don't have any ability yet, right ? Normally one of them have a thunderclap ability I think.
Without any ability I'm not sure an ancient is better than a troll or a centaur. Especially if chaos damage is not here anymore.
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On September 24 2014 16:08 cecek wrote:
Tinker actually got nerfed pretty badly overall. Can't farm ancients, no self ethereal eblade, eblade projectile means you can't instantly eblade and dagon to do full damage, high level dagon is more mana expensive.
u can still farm neutral stacks
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I think people need to remember that there's two-three patches a year generally, and the patch right after TI is the one where the wild changes happen and then tuned to where they like it nearer TI time.
I generally like all of the changes, but I think the triple fold hit to towers might see a reduction as the patches go on. Icefrog likes to hit the meta with a hammer sometimes. I think this will slow the game down a bit, but definitely not to old levels of slug dota. The change long ago to buyback timers really put an end to classic 4-5x buyback turtle vs turtle.
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On September 24 2014 16:29 MrCon wrote:
The ancient camps units don't have any ability yet, right ? Normally one of them have a thunderclap ability I think.
Without any ability I'm not sure an ancient is better than a troll or a centaur. Especially if chaos damage is not here anymore.
i think the dinosaurs have frenzy, the orange one
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that dark seer change is gamechanger
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whats up with the PA change? what does it do?
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On September 24 2014 16:22 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 16:08 cecek wrote:
Tinker actually got nerfed pretty badly overall. Can't farm ancients, no self ethereal eblade, eblade projectile means you can't instantly eblade and dagon to do full damage, high level dagon is more mana expensive. What do you mean no self eblade?
I think he means you can't do damage if you want to go ethereal as eblade doesn't make you ethereal unless used on yourself anymore.
I still don't think Tinker was as gutted as people make him out to be. You can't pick him in every game anymore as he actually needs to win mid now, but it's not like he's unplayable status like TI2 morphling. And he can still farm stacked big camps so it's not like they completely took away his ability to farm the jungle as a catchup mechanic.
And even though eblade and dagon are nerfed he can still do perma hex, or spam shiva's or whatever old tinkers did before all the eblade-dagon shenanigans.
People are blowing the impact of the changes to his overall game way overboard. He won't be in every game anymore which is just what was needed.
He's still perfectly viable.
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On September 24 2014 16:43 Animzor wrote:
whats up with the PA change? what does it do?
before your minimap icon would disappear as your blur activates. Now your minimap icon will remain invisible until blur activates.
I think.
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dat guy who called the new rune change was right
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On September 24 2014 16:43 Animzor wrote:
whats up with the PA change? what does it do?
She was invis on minimap when near enemies. Now she's invis when away from enemies. Which means any roaming movement is damn hard to spot unless you have your screen on your ward placements.
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On September 24 2014 13:39 LeLoup wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 13:33 Ohnoitztotoro wrote:
HAHAHA Chen! I don't know how viable it is to put a scepter into his build but....controlling ancients is going to be the fun. Scepter was always great on Chen. Now it is core.
Imagine Chen rushing scepter with WK's Vampiric Aura......
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On September 24 2014 16:51 Targe wrote:
lol soul ring storm
So safelane Storm now bestlane Storm?
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On September 24 2014 16:29 MrCon wrote:
The ancient camps units don't have any ability yet, right ? Normally one of them have a thunderclap ability I think.
Without any ability I'm not sure an ancient is better than a troll or a centaur. Especially if chaos damage is not here anymore.
the dragon has splash damage.
the golem has spell immunity
the lizward will get a huge thunderclap (also in the patchnotes)
On September 24 2014 15:28 clickrush wrote:
I can agree with most changes but those two:
1. lc got nerfed and put into cm. she is allready trash tier and needs to many items to be effective (dagger, bkb, dps). makes no sense to release her in that state.
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LOL
LC is one of the strongest offlaners in this game.
her spells were far too strong.
she is however a trash jungler, yes. but only noobs play her like that.
2,5,k rating player complaining about LC beoing too weak :D:D:D:D
she will be first pick/ban meterial for offlane now.
you can quote me later.
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