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ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 07:46:16
July 18 2012 07:45 GMT
#14661
On July 18 2012 15:56 b3n3tt3 wrote:
what the fuck valve's match making system is retarded... I went with 4 of my friends the past week and upped my wins to lose by 40 from 19

Here I come earlier today got 0 out of 8 games by getting fully retarded teams... I mean, if it were good games lost then I won't notice. But it seems the system made it so that potentially lower mmr players could get on my game... fuck. Or i'm really on a bad luck roll

The system "punishes" you for playing as a stack, you get better opponents than if you queued single queue. Your teamwork should carry you through, if you don't have that, or it isn't good enough you'll probably lose, though.

And as others said, the MMR works in a way that when you win, your opponents get better while your team stays the same or gets worse, making it harder and harder to win, the more victories you have.
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
July 18 2012 09:52 GMT
#14662
The fuck. Lone Druids bear cant take items from the stash anymore. I had to drop every item manually and pick it up. O.O
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
July 18 2012 11:39 GMT
#14663
Sick of losing pubs against lycan...who is the best/easiest counter jungling hero?
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 18 2012 11:43 GMT
#14664
On July 18 2012 20:39 Attakijing wrote:
Sick of losing pubs against lycan...who is the best/easiest counter jungling hero?

In my limited experience, there's no like...best counter jungling hero. It's more of how you adapt and play. I find that if I'm up against a lycan, it's easy for me to just wander into his jungle as a support, preferably one with stuns, and just harass him and generally be an annoyance. Killing or even just damaging his wolves slows down his jungle considerably. If you can, get your lane partner to go with you and you can threaten kills on lycan.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 18 2012 11:56 GMT
#14665
The key is to go in and annoy him early. Don't wait until he's level 6 with vlads. If you can interrupt him while he's at the easy camp, that will really set him back.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
July 18 2012 11:58 GMT
#14666
On July 18 2012 20:39 Attakijing wrote:
Sick of losing pubs against lycan...who is the best/easiest counter jungling hero?


Enchant! Biggest pain in the ass to meet in the forest.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
July 18 2012 12:02 GMT
#14667
--- Nuked ---
RockIronrod
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia1369 Posts
July 18 2012 12:02 GMT
#14668
Also, ward the easy camp. It means he'll usually be lower on health when you start roaming his jungle because he has to tank the creeps a bit more than usual.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
July 18 2012 13:10 GMT
#14669
On July 18 2012 16:45 ChrisXIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 15:56 b3n3tt3 wrote:
what the fuck valve's match making system is retarded... I went with 4 of my friends the past week and upped my wins to lose by 40 from 19

Here I come earlier today got 0 out of 8 games by getting fully retarded teams... I mean, if it were good games lost then I won't notice. But it seems the system made it so that potentially lower mmr players could get on my game... fuck. Or i'm really on a bad luck roll

The system "punishes" you for playing as a stack, you get better opponents than if you queued single queue. Your teamwork should carry you through, if you don't have that, or it isn't good enough you'll probably lose, though.

And as others said, the MMR works in a way that when you win, your opponents get better while your team stays the same or gets worse, making it harder and harder to win, the more victories you have.


This can't be entirely true, otherwise the best players would end up always having the worst players in their team. I'd assume the enemy team has just as many "bad" people as yours in it (the worse people are, the more snowbally and random are games).

tl;dr: "If you can't carry 4 retards vs 5 retards... you might be one of them." =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
July 18 2012 13:30 GMT
#14670
On July 18 2012 22:10 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 16:45 ChrisXIV wrote:
On July 18 2012 15:56 b3n3tt3 wrote:
what the fuck valve's match making system is retarded... I went with 4 of my friends the past week and upped my wins to lose by 40 from 19

Here I come earlier today got 0 out of 8 games by getting fully retarded teams... I mean, if it were good games lost then I won't notice. But it seems the system made it so that potentially lower mmr players could get on my game... fuck. Or i'm really on a bad luck roll

The system "punishes" you for playing as a stack, you get better opponents than if you queued single queue. Your teamwork should carry you through, if you don't have that, or it isn't good enough you'll probably lose, though.

And as others said, the MMR works in a way that when you win, your opponents get better while your team stays the same or gets worse, making it harder and harder to win, the more victories you have.


This can't be entirely true, otherwise the best players would end up always having the worst players in their team. I'd assume the enemy team has just as many "bad" people as yours in it (the worse people are, the more snowbally and random are games).

tl;dr: "If you can't carry 4 retards vs 5 retards... you might be one of them." =P


Yes, It's not exactly true. Your oponents do get better but your allies should also get better. But the system thinks you also got a lot better, when in reality you are basically the same player, so your team gets worse overall, and in time you should lose enough to get back to around a 50% winrate.

Your point about the best players in the world may be true though, if you are the best player, by keeping an average skill level similar in both teams you end up with more balanced oponents that are worse than you, while the fact your teammates are worse than the other team are balanced by the fact you are better than them. That is of course reliant on you actually being better then your oponents, not just believing you are. This really shouldn't happen that often, unless you are at the very top of the MMR. It's much more likely people just don't remember the "retards" on the other team as well as they do when they are on their team.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
July 18 2012 13:40 GMT
#14671
Yeah pretty much this. For every player who makes weak decisions or plays on your team there is a similar one on the enemy team. I had some fun games playing with friends who have a much higher MMR than myself and the games usually end up with having 1-2 fat guys on either side because they abuse the mistakes everyone else makes.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
July 18 2012 13:58 GMT
#14672
EU crashed?
Seen as G.ZZZ [COPPER SCUM] on Steam
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 18 2012 14:02 GMT
#14673
cant find a game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-18 14:04:33
July 18 2012 14:03 GMT
#14674
EU seems buggy for me atm. Party invites and leaves register way late (almost a minute after I pressed accept or leave) and me and some friends are unable to find a game for the last 15 minutes; normal queue ofc.

Edit: ok I closed dota and steam and restarted and instead of the eu chat I've been put in the NA one.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 18 2012 14:08 GMT
#14675
EU seems to be back up but don't know how long it will last
AbuseYouMerc
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands171 Posts
July 18 2012 14:28 GMT
#14676
I think it all crashed I cant get into the game at all.

Btw, jumping into the MMR discussion...

I think this game indeed throws you to the sharks if you win a little bit too much.

I had a nice little 20+ Win ratio, then suddenly and without warning. I got retarded teams... Like... REALLY REALLY Eye-gouging suicide makingly bad.

I lost 12 games in a row, 2 of which where mostly my fault because it was so frustrating.

Then I started winning a few games more, went up to 17 win ratio. And now im in the dumpster again with 5 straight losses because of idiots insta picking 4 carries, russians (MY GOD RUSSIANS) and other scum that has not the slightest clue.

Meanwhile, my opponents litteraly laugh themselfs all the way to an easy victory.

Fix this MMR shit. I dont want 50% nonsense. I want to play and win, or lose because the opponent was better. Not lose because this game must make me close to 50% giving me idiots who go full retard.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 18 2012 14:37 GMT
#14677
20+ win ratio? teach us your ways!
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
July 18 2012 15:26 GMT
#14678
On July 18 2012 23:28 AbuseYouMerc wrote:
I think it all crashed I cant get into the game at all.

Btw, jumping into the MMR discussion...

I think this game indeed throws you to the sharks if you win a little bit too much.

I had a nice little 20+ Win ratio, then suddenly and without warning. I got retarded teams... Like... REALLY REALLY Eye-gouging suicide makingly bad.

I lost 12 games in a row, 2 of which where mostly my fault because it was so frustrating.

Then I started winning a few games more, went up to 17 win ratio. And now im in the dumpster again with 5 straight losses because of idiots insta picking 4 carries, russians (MY GOD RUSSIANS) and other scum that has not the slightest clue.

Meanwhile, my opponents litteraly laugh themselfs all the way to an easy victory.

Fix this MMR shit. I dont want 50% nonsense. I want to play and win, or lose because the opponent was better. Not lose because this game must make me close to 50% giving me idiots who go full retard.

QQ thread

Also Enchantress against Lycan is a pain in the ass. Just chase him all day.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
July 18 2012 15:33 GMT
#14679
Enchantress really is the biggest "counter" to most junglers. She just takes the strongest creep and throws spears at you, and you can't do anything, if you try to get close stomp/clap/shockwave to the face (not even gonna talk about Wildkin). Especially bad when you're Radiant, as your easy camp is exposed -_-
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
Yacobs
Profile Joined March 2010
United States846 Posts
July 18 2012 15:45 GMT
#14680
The matchmaking really is quite atrocious. After I get a good number of wins going, it's common that the next ten teams I'm on will feature me plus four other people who average like 75 last hits per game while the opposing team will have four people who average 150 or something like that.
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