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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On January 17 2012 12:52 churbro wrote: how is a hero like riki seriously still in the game? he's fucking ridiculous. if you are a hero who riki can kill solo, don't go alone. carry dust/sentries/gem depending on the situation so you can kill him. with proper coordination he's completely neutralized. | ||
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storm44
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On January 17 2012 12:52 churbro wrote: how is a hero like riki seriously still in the game? he's fucking ridiculous. If you're losing to a hero because you just refuse to get the teamwork to buy detection and utterly rape him, then you're going to love Phantom Lancer, Lycanthrope (especially), and the absolute bevy of other heroes, many of which can be stopped very easily by these things called a team, and observer wards, and dust. | ||
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Nub4ever
Canada1981 Posts
On January 17 2012 12:58 Antoine wrote: if you are a hero who riki can kill solo, don't go alone. carry dust/sentries/gem depending on the situation so you can kill him. with proper coordination he's completely neutralized. I suppose it's very obvious but if your a hero that riki or any invis hero can easily kill, don't buy a gem. Really gems aren't new essays until really lategame. Though there are some times where you should buy one earlier... For the most part dust and sentries suffice. | ||
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Darkren
Canada1841 Posts
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wurm
Philippines2296 Posts
On January 17 2012 15:32 Darkren wrote: I never got why people like dust so much, imo sentry wards are infinnetly better than dust(baring in mind your team has some cc), can someone explain to me why do people focus on dust so much???? Riki can easily blink-strike a creep out of range of sentry to escape. Same goes for other heroes, given that many of them have movement speed bonuses. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 17 2012 15:32 Darkren wrote: I never got why people like dust so much, imo sentry wards are infinnetly better than dust(baring in mind your team has some cc), can someone explain to me why do people focus on dust so much???? You're assuming that you'll always have enough CC to keep your target locked down within the range of the Sentry Ward before they die, which is very often not the case, particularly with many stealth heroes that have escapes. Sentries are good in many situations, but Dust allows you to chase, which is an option that shouldn't be neglected. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On January 17 2012 12:52 churbro wrote: how is a hero like riki seriously still in the game? he's fucking ridiculous. He is probably the easiest hero to use in pubs especially because he needs coordination to take down and you won't find that in pub games. he is complete crap in a competitive environment though. | ||
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duckii
Germany1017 Posts
On January 17 2012 21:57 writer22816 wrote: He is probably the easiest hero to use in pubs especially because he needs coordination to take down and you won't find that in pub games. he is complete crap in a competitive environment though. riki is not complete crap. He is a valid last pick with the right constellation (especially with the 6.73 buff) | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On January 17 2012 23:12 duckii wrote: riki is not complete crap. He is a valid last pick with the right constellation (especially with the 6.73 buff) Riki is usually my goto pick against teams that have both furion and am. He is great vs both. | ||
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anatem
Romania1369 Posts
On January 17 2012 23:12 duckii wrote: riki is not complete crap. He is a valid last pick with the right constellation (especially with the 6.73 buff) that level of situational is the exact definition of crap. maybe not complete like an ursa for example, but still shit against a high tier pro-team (as opposed to the many mid/lower-tier pro teams that you see in competitions like the Defense), what would be the odds of someone beating a team like DK with riki as opposed to some serious carries (edit: not that the odds of someone beating DK specifically with anything would be that high) | ||
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duckii
Germany1017 Posts
On January 17 2012 23:32 anatem wrote: that level of situational is the exact definition of crap. maybe not complete like an ursa for example, but still shit against a high tier pro-team (as opposed to the many mid/lower-tier pro teams that you see in competitions like the Defense), what would be the odds of someone beating a team like DK with riki as opposed to some serious carries (edit: not that the odds of someone beating DK specifically with anything would be that high) So anything but chinese top tier level is not competitive environment for you I guess. He is situational, but that does not make him crap. Bounty hunter found his place too on the solo side lane. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On January 18 2012 00:28 duckii wrote: So anything but chinese top tier level is not competitive environment for you I guess. He is situational, but that does not make him crap. Bounty hunter found his place too on the solo side lane. bounty hunter is a very different hero than riki. | ||
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
Eventually he claimed that it gave us lane control. Surely it does the opposite as it keeps the lanes pushed and on their sides allowing for them to farm with ease and stopping us from farming for the most part? He also said he did it because if we wiped in a team fight they could easily push us and rax us which is understandable but they never came close to wiping us. Anyway, won the game just wondering if what he was doing was a good idea or if I was right. | ||
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scorch-
United States816 Posts
On January 18 2012 02:16 Benjef wrote: Just played a game with AA who spammed his ult on the lanes when a team fight wasn't imminent. This kept the lanes for the most part pushed onto the enemies side of the map. I kept telling him to stop but he wouldn't. Eventually he claimed that it gave us lane control. Surely it does the opposite as it keeps the lanes pushed and on their sides allowing for them to farm with ease and stopping us from farming for the most part? He also said he did it because if we wiped in a team fight they could easily push us and rax us which is understandable but they never came close to wiping us. Anyway, won the game just wondering if what he was doing was a good idea or if I was right. It gives you map control to have the lanes pushed, but if you don't USE that map control then the other team can just farm the creeps and you can't. With the lanes pushed to their side of the map, the other team doesn't have vision of all the entrances to their jungles/ganking lanes, so you can just go kill them. Entering the other team's jungle from your short lane with the creeps pushed is generally the best way to gank when you have map control because most pubs don't ward that entrance. But you're right, spamming AA ulti on creep waves is worse than furion spamming ulti on cooldown the whole game unless you're specifically doing it to allow you to gank (even then his ult is a much better ganking tool than creep pushing tool.. | ||
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duckii
Germany1017 Posts
On January 18 2012 01:11 rabidch wrote: bounty hunter is a very different hero than riki. He is very different. I just meant, riki might find it's way into some lineups as well, for different reasons than BH of course. | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
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