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paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
January 19 2012 20:36 GMT
#1461
On January 18 2012 07:09 epoc wrote:
I have arachnophobia and wc3 broodmother is much scarier for me. Wc3 engine too scary. Dota 2 broodmother looks really tame. Thats a good thing though


dem lower polygons so skary
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 19 2012 21:40 GMT
#1462
On January 20 2012 05:36 paper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 07:09 epoc wrote:
I have arachnophobia and wc3 broodmother is much scarier for me. Wc3 engine too scary. Dota 2 broodmother looks really tame. Thats a good thing though


dem lower polygons so skary

IMO its the sound set. The DotA 2 sound set for Broodmother is way less scary.
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Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
January 19 2012 22:05 GMT
#1463
I heard there is a patch/mod for Skyrim that changes all spiders into bears (at least their models). Something similar could be implemented in dota2 aswell rather easily I imagine.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
January 19 2012 23:01 GMT
#1464
Speaking of soundsets, Ursa sounds terrifying in dota2
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 23:39:59
January 19 2012 23:39 GMT
#1465
Furbolgs were more cuddly.

I am really interested what Pandaren Brewmaster will be(A mexican brewmaster would be.......meh)
WriterXiao8~~
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
January 19 2012 23:47 GMT
#1466
NO IT WILL BE A POLAR BEAR
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
January 19 2012 23:47 GMT
#1467
I got into DoTA2 beta thanks to Bumblebee (<3) giving away beta keys on Twitter. I have watched Demon's and Dendi's stream quite a bit beforehand which really peaked my interest in the game. However I have never ever played any MOBA's beyond a few rounds of SOTIS in SC2 where I was affected by various substances.

I have no idea what I am doing, tried a few games with bots with Sniper using on of the guides on playdota but feel so out of my depth. Anywhere I should start, in terms of heros, guides etc etc?
red_b
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1267 Posts
January 19 2012 23:50 GMT
#1468
Panda Brewmaster should be ported to DotA 2 as Jackie Chan.

To balance it out the dire would need Lo Pan though
Those small maps were like a boxing match in a phone booth.
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
January 20 2012 00:03 GMT
#1469
On January 18 2012 00:28 duckii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 23:32 anatem wrote:
On January 17 2012 23:12 duckii wrote:
On January 17 2012 21:57 writer22816 wrote:
On January 17 2012 12:52 churbro wrote:
how is a hero like riki seriously still in the game? he's fucking ridiculous.


He is probably the easiest hero to use in pubs especially because he needs coordination to take down and you won't find that in pub games. he is complete crap in a competitive environment though.

riki is not complete crap. He is a valid last pick with the right constellation (especially with the 6.73 buff)


that level of situational is the exact definition of crap.

maybe not complete like an ursa for example, but still shit against a high tier pro-team (as opposed to the many mid/lower-tier pro teams that you see in competitions like the Defense), what would be the odds of someone beating a team like DK with riki as opposed to some serious carries (edit: not that the odds of someone beating DK specifically with anything would be that high)

So anything but chinese top tier level is not competitive environment for you I guess.
He is situational, but that does not make him crap. Bounty hunter found his place too on the solo side lane.




Both Riki and BH require you to basically hamstring your line-up in order to make them fit and work because they pretty much pigeon hole you into certain picks. That is kind of a dead giveaway of what you are doing (especially since you kind of need to ban certain heroes to make them work also). Riki is also obscenely weak in lane, and pretty much dies to any kind of strong lane harasser pre-6. Yes, they can work, but only if you are in an extremely narrow situation where Riki actually works.


BH can work mainly because he is a little more flexible than Riki in that he doesn't require as much farm to be effective, and grants early map control with his ganks and utility in team fights. Riki is pretty much a sitting duck early on, and still requires alot of farm to be effective.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
January 20 2012 02:23 GMT
#1470
He doesn't hamstring your line up any more than AM does or any other AGI-based line-up.

Saying BH doesn't require as much farm as Riki is about as uninformative as you get as you realize that every game involving BH has required him sitting to get farm. Running around ganking is an easy way to lose the game as he is not an effective ganker due to both his limited mana and hp.
Get it by your hands...
duckii
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1017 Posts
January 20 2012 03:18 GMT
#1471
On January 20 2012 11:23 Judicator wrote:
He doesn't hamstring your line up any more than AM does or any other AGI-based line-up.

Saying BH doesn't require as much farm as Riki is about as uninformative as you get as you realize that every game involving BH has required him sitting to get farm. Running around ganking is an easy way to lose the game as he is not an effective ganker due to both his limited mana and hp.



BH is mostly played by IG on the solo side lane where he can leech xp without too much danger. He gets to 6 relatively fast and then helps the team out with ganks and bounty gold. You can see him buying multiple clarity potions during that phase as well.
gosuMalicE
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 05:40:30
January 20 2012 05:39 GMT
#1472
Invoker finally ported over, Best day of 2012 so far.
I play Protoss, because lets face it, who doesn't love hyper-advanced Egyptian ninja-aliens that kill people with lightsabres attached to both arms?
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
January 20 2012 05:39 GMT
#1473
On January 20 2012 06:40 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 05:36 paper wrote:
On January 18 2012 07:09 epoc wrote:
I have arachnophobia and wc3 broodmother is much scarier for me. Wc3 engine too scary. Dota 2 broodmother looks really tame. Thats a good thing though


dem lower polygons so skary

IMO its the sound set. The DotA 2 sound set for Broodmother is way less scary.


I find it odd that the sound set would trigger arachnophobia when real life spiders don't have any means of producing sound
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lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
January 20 2012 10:45 GMT
#1474
On January 20 2012 08:47 Klonere wrote:
I got into DoTA2 beta thanks to Bumblebee (<3) giving away beta keys on Twitter. I have watched Demon's and Dendi's stream quite a bit beforehand which really peaked my interest in the game. However I have never ever played any MOBA's beyond a few rounds of SOTIS in SC2 where I was affected by various substances.

I have no idea what I am doing, tried a few games with bots with Sniper using on of the guides on playdota but feel so out of my depth. Anywhere I should start, in terms of heros, guides etc etc?



Leoric, with his newly buffed ulti, fat arse, and soul ring in the game, is what I tend to recommend. Hit me up on steam (lozarian) and I'll play some with you. Playing sniper is a sure fire way not to make friends and influence people. A farm dependant, positional dependant, squishy as fuck carry is a bad bad choice for a newbie. You will be in the wrong place ALL THE TIME as a new player, playing something that dies when breathed on is not a good plan.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
January 20 2012 14:00 GMT
#1475
On January 20 2012 19:45 lozarian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 08:47 Klonere wrote:
I got into DoTA2 beta thanks to Bumblebee (<3) giving away beta keys on Twitter. I have watched Demon's and Dendi's stream quite a bit beforehand which really peaked my interest in the game. However I have never ever played any MOBA's beyond a few rounds of SOTIS in SC2 where I was affected by various substances.

I have no idea what I am doing, tried a few games with bots with Sniper using on of the guides on playdota but feel so out of my depth. Anywhere I should start, in terms of heros, guides etc etc?



Leoric, with his newly buffed ulti, fat arse, and soul ring in the game, is what I tend to recommend. Hit me up on steam (lozarian) and I'll play some with you. Playing sniper is a sure fire way not to make friends and influence people. A farm dependant, positional dependant, squishy as fuck carry is a bad bad choice for a newbie. You will be in the wrong place ALL THE TIME as a new player, playing something that dies when breathed on is not a good plan.

Hah, this. When I first played HoN, my first experience was watching some pro(testie) rip face with flint(sniper). So what do I do when I load up HoN the first time but select sniper and go mid.......vs pudge. I didn't even know how pudge worked......Lets just say my team was slightly upset with me by the 7 minute mark.

Who to play and not to play.

DO NOT PLAY AGILITY CARRIES, URSA IN PARTICULAR. DO NOT PLAY INVIS HEROES. DO NOT PLAY INTELLIGENCE NUKERS(heroes with multiple AoE abilities that you will need to know when and how to use).

Who to play.

Most strength heroes not named earth shaker, tiny, pudge, and doom bringer.
Sven is a good pick. An easy(and great) to land stun, good team buff, and an easy to use ulti.
Leoric(Skeleton King) is another great pick. Passive life steal, revive ulti, and a point and ckick stun. Very forgiving.

Lich, Lion, and Witch doctor are all decent intelligence/stunner/team fight heroes that have fairly easy abilities to use, and don't need tons of farm.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 14:03:09
January 20 2012 14:02 GMT
#1476
On January 20 2012 11:23 Judicator wrote:
He doesn't hamstring your line up any more than AM does or any other AGI-based line-up.

Saying BH doesn't require as much farm as Riki is about as uninformative as you get as you realize that every game involving BH has required him sitting to get farm. Running around ganking is an easy way to lose the game as he is not an effective ganker due to both his limited mana and hp.


The only way a hero that is as shitty as bh could become viable is, too abuse his best skill his ulti.
If his team doesn't get an advantage early on with it, he is just a big creep
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
January 20 2012 14:38 GMT
#1477
On January 20 2012 23:02 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 11:23 Judicator wrote:
He doesn't hamstring your line up any more than AM does or any other AGI-based line-up.

Saying BH doesn't require as much farm as Riki is about as uninformative as you get as you realize that every game involving BH has required him sitting to get farm. Running around ganking is an easy way to lose the game as he is not an effective ganker due to both his limited mana and hp.


The only way a hero that is as shitty as bh could become viable is, too abuse his best skill his ulti.
If his team doesn't get an advantage early on with it, he is just a big creep


what !? his ult gives your team an extra 150-250 gold per hero in every kill and in the metagame with a lot of kills how is that not good
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
January 20 2012 15:14 GMT
#1478
On January 20 2012 23:38 cilinder007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 23:02 Yoshi- wrote:
On January 20 2012 11:23 Judicator wrote:
He doesn't hamstring your line up any more than AM does or any other AGI-based line-up.

Saying BH doesn't require as much farm as Riki is about as uninformative as you get as you realize that every game involving BH has required him sitting to get farm. Running around ganking is an easy way to lose the game as he is not an effective ganker due to both his limited mana and hp.


The only way a hero that is as shitty as bh could become viable is, too abuse his best skill his ulti.
If his team doesn't get an advantage early on with it, he is just a big creep


what !? his ult gives your team an extra 150-250 gold per hero in every kill and in the metagame with a lot of kills how is that not good


It is good, that's what he is saying, that the only way BH is viable is by abusing his ulti, his best skill, early on and if you stay on your lane farming you are just a big creep.
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
January 20 2012 15:34 GMT
#1479
lol you could say the same thing about storm spirit...

why would a hero be shitty just cuz he needs his ult to be viable, thats why he has it
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
January 20 2012 15:38 GMT
#1480
On January 21 2012 00:14 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 23:38 cilinder007 wrote:
On January 20 2012 23:02 Yoshi- wrote:
On January 20 2012 11:23 Judicator wrote:
He doesn't hamstring your line up any more than AM does or any other AGI-based line-up.

Saying BH doesn't require as much farm as Riki is about as uninformative as you get as you realize that every game involving BH has required him sitting to get farm. Running around ganking is an easy way to lose the game as he is not an effective ganker due to both his limited mana and hp.


The only way a hero that is as shitty as bh could become viable is, too abuse his best skill his ulti.
If his team doesn't get an advantage early on with it, he is just a big creep


what !? his ult gives your team an extra 150-250 gold per hero in every kill and in the metagame with a lot of kills how is that not good


It is good, that's what he is saying, that the only way BH is viable is by abusing his ulti, his best skill, early on and if you stay on your lane farming you are just a big creep.


His ultimate shines in the mid game, not the early game. He can gank early but it isn't that amazing tbh, he needs a bit of farm to get going--not so much the gold but the levels.

He scales well into the late game and transitions into a good carry.

If you've been watching BH being played lately, most teams just leave him in the lane then joins team fights.
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