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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2558 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-10 22:32:56
September 10 2014 22:31 GMT
#128941
On September 11 2014 07:16 r_con wrote:
Chen is most about getting as fast as a 5 as possible, and most chens i see are really bad at it, hes my second most played and i have 60 percent winrate on him. people that think micro is really important on chen are sorely mistaken, you can win so many games just getting creeps and if they try to defend you just stun them with a centaur as they are coming at you. Chen gets wrecked by tinker, basically made him impossible to pick in pubs against even a terrible tinker player.

Chen is all about positioning, and alot of people think chen falls off really hard, but it depends on how you play, chen can farm really fast if you practice it alot if he so chooses and can get fast utility items and make your team unkillable.


Basically exactly my Chen experience. Fast level 5, one of my most played, 65% winrate.

My problem with Chen as a lategame hero is that you're basically spending everything from minute 5 to minute 20 pushing for or preferably with the team, which isn't really good for increasing your own farm. Your creeps also become a liability against a lot of lineups, where they'll thank you for bringing a midas-able creep to their highground or adding extra sleight of fist battlefury procs, or just being free gold that falls to various AoEs. Basically all his spells fade from relevance as the game goes beyond around 30 minutes, so I can't really see the argument for any items besides mek + force + sheep/aghas/shivas/whatever.

Actually necro sounds pretty legit. I might have to play with that a bit.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44127 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-10 22:34:36
September 10 2014 22:34 GMT
#128942
I think the bigger problem with chen is i think the hero is really boring post 30 minutes. Since like you guys said the hero just falls off. And i don't really think you can a lot of stuff in lategame since you die more of the time than you are in combat. Since unlike heroes like meepo who is also micro oriented. You can actually do a lot of shit lategame. This is just my assumption though. And chen is one of those not so popular heroes right ?

Can't really say my knowledge about chen can be trusted since i only see chen in pro-games. Since i never face or become allies with chen. I could remember a single game when i played in a stack with my friend and he suddenly says "trust me i am good at chen". He fucking sucked and realized he couldn't micro so he maxed the nuke and the slow. He admitted later than he was trying the hero out since i was nitpicking at him lol
this is a quote
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
September 10 2014 22:35 GMT
#128943
On September 11 2014 07:26 harodihg wrote:
Ya u all play Chen wrong if he falls off u should go Midas necro 3 force aghs

that's a weird way to spell dagon + eblade, sponsored by kupo.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
September 10 2014 22:39 GMT
#128944
On September 11 2014 07:34 goody153 wrote:
I think the bigger problem with chen is i think the hero is really boring post 30 minutes. Since like you guys said the hero just falls off. And i don't really think you can a lot of stuff in lategame since you die more of the time than you are in combat. Since unlike heroes like meepo who is also micro oriented. You can actually do a lot of shit lategame. This is just my assumption though. And chen is one of those not so popular heroes right ?

Can't really say my knowledge about chen can be trusted since i only see chen in pro-games. Since i never face or become allies with chen. I could remember a single game when i played in a stack with my friend and he suddenly says "trust me i am good at chen". He fucking sucked and realized he couldn't micro so he maxed the nuke and the slow. He admitted later than he was trying the hero out since i was nitpicking at him lol


Ya if u emulate pro Chen play ur just gonna lose u gotta play it like jungle furion and just get a smoke and hank once or twice if any of their heroes are actually kill able and only push if u actually can otherwise just farm ur Midas necro 3 and wait until u can push or team fight

Most people lose on mm cuz they rush Mek and force fights they can't win then lose and get stuck with Mek brown boots for 30 minutes instead of just playing it like furion
Agh's ult sniper: Sniper locks eyes with target unit, immobilizing them in horror as he turns the gun on himself. Channeled, lasts 5 seconds.
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2558 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-10 22:50:22
September 10 2014 22:46 GMT
#128945
On September 11 2014 07:34 goody153 wrote:
I think the bigger problem with chen is i think the hero is really boring post 30 minutes. Since like you guys said the hero just falls off. And i don't really think you can a lot of stuff in lategame since you die more of the time than you are in combat. Since unlike heroes like meepo who is also micro oriented. You can actually do a lot of shit lategame. This is just my assumption though. And chen is one of those not so popular heroes right ?

Can't really say my knowledge about chen can be trusted since i only see chen in pro-games. Since i never face or become allies with chen. I could remember a single game when i played in a stack with my friend and he suddenly says "trust me i am good at chen". He fucking sucked and realized he couldn't micro so he maxed the nuke and the slow. He admitted later than he was trying the hero out since i was nitpicking at him lol


Any hero that requires micro or something beyond a basic playstyle is not popular. Meepo/Chen/ElderTitan/brood/lonedruid/visage/io - these are all heroes that are typically played less than normal heroes, not based on how strong or weak they are as heroes, but by how they require some experience in the first place to play well.

Also dhig how the fuck do you lose fights with a 10ish minute mek? Most pubs aren't coordinated enough to stop just a chen + creeps push, and if any of your allies show up at all then its hard as shit to lose unless they're super coordinated and your team isn't there.

harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
September 10 2014 22:51 GMT
#128946
Losing with a Mek is easy when naix doesn't skill rage 10 minutes in and everyone else underestimates how much damage 10 stacks of show demon poison does
Agh's ult sniper: Sniper locks eyes with target unit, immobilizing them in horror as he turns the gun on himself. Channeled, lasts 5 seconds.
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2558 Posts
September 10 2014 22:54 GMT
#128947
That's a special place in the trenches where the shadow demon is stacking poisons beyond 5
harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
September 10 2014 22:55 GMT
#128948
Look at my latest video I posted in the silly video bread

Should be in my recent post history
Agh's ult sniper: Sniper locks eyes with target unit, immobilizing them in horror as he turns the gun on himself. Channeled, lasts 5 seconds.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
September 10 2014 23:08 GMT
#128949
I have 7k gold what should I buy for my tinker?
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7046 Posts
September 10 2014 23:10 GMT
#128950
dagon 5
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
September 10 2014 23:11 GMT
#128951
On September 11 2014 08:08 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
I have 7k gold what should I buy for my tinker?

chemo
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
September 10 2014 23:13 GMT
#128952
It's a shame you can't save for buyback in the event of a ban
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
giftdgecko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2126 Posts
September 10 2014 23:20 GMT
#128953
scumbag union gaming needs a meme
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
September 10 2014 23:23 GMT
#128954
On September 11 2014 08:11 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2014 08:08 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
I have 7k gold what should I buy for my tinker?

chemo

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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
September 10 2014 23:39 GMT
#128955


HOWRE THEY EVEN MAKING MONEY
whats their fuckign secret
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7046 Posts
September 11 2014 00:05 GMT
#128956
On September 11 2014 08:39 teddyoojo wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orfFpxKVcxE

HOWRE THEY EVEN MAKING MONEY
whats their fuckign secret

james is filthy rich
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
September 11 2014 00:06 GMT
#128957
On September 11 2014 08:08 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
I have 7k gold what should I buy for my tinker?


Make my day and be a mid player who buys their own fucking tangos.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28090 Posts
September 11 2014 00:28 GMT
#128958
I was all like "meh, that house doesn't look too big to me". Then Bruno was like "this is the first of three floors"

nvm then
Administrator
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3238 Posts
September 11 2014 00:44 GMT
#128959
On September 11 2014 08:39 teddyoojo wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orfFpxKVcxE

HOWRE THEY EVEN MAKING MONEY
whats their fuckign secret

James seems like a guy that can give a nice pitch. A pitch and a bit of PR and you get people throwing money at you.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 11 2014 00:45 GMT
#128960
On September 11 2014 08:39 teddyoojo wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orfFpxKVcxE

HOWRE THEY EVEN MAKING MONEY
whats their fuckign secret


Wow, I am beyond jealous (and now severely depressed), incredible house
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
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