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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
September 02 2014 12:58 GMT
#126821
On September 02 2014 21:52 goody153 wrote:
on topic of PL

why does nobody build radiance on him ? i mean yeah i understand that makes duplication harder due to creeps die pretty fast but later on lategame doesn't radiance boost PL damage output larger than another stats or damage item ?


He is squishy, die fast. Also diffu is godlike on him. Plus no one plan 80+ mins games anymore.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44303 Posts
September 02 2014 12:59 GMT
#126822
On September 02 2014 21:55 teddyoojo wrote:
u dont need a radiance to farm like a god and its a wasted slot lategame

well not for farming but the consistent dps is nice with radiance ? since illusions are constantly in fights as well as pushing and illusions don't always have a chance to hit a hero.. or does other items gives bigger damage output ?
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Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
September 02 2014 13:10 GMT
#126823
What do you think will be the final tally of people submitting for the rainmaker contest and what percent will have 10 posts or less?
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-02 13:11:26
September 02 2014 13:11 GMT
#126824
id rather have something like mkb or ac tbh

dubzex stop being so salty lmao
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 02 2014 13:11 GMT
#126825
On September 02 2014 21:59 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 21:55 teddyoojo wrote:
u dont need a radiance to farm like a god and its a wasted slot lategame

well not for farming but the consistent dps is nice with radiance ? since illusions are constantly in fights as well as pushing and illusions don't always have a chance to hit a hero.. or does other items gives bigger damage output ?

I think that works with heroes that can generate like 2-6 illusions with manta. But radiance burn doesn't stack with illusions, while diffusal does per illusion hitting shit. So because PL can generate a ton of illusions, it gives him more raw combat output.

Plus it makes him made of glass and he doesn't have song to bug the fuck out of a bad fight.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
September 02 2014 13:12 GMT
#126826
On September 02 2014 22:10 Dubzex wrote:
What do you think will be the final tally of people submitting for the rainmaker contest and what percent will have 10 posts or less?

maybe that was the plan all along
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 02 2014 13:14 GMT
#126827
On September 02 2014 22:10 Dubzex wrote:
What do you think will be the final tally of people submitting for the rainmaker contest and what percent will have 10 posts or less?

I don't need anything free from LD. They already put up with me, so thats enough in my book. I am low maintenance.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44303 Posts
September 02 2014 13:19 GMT
#126828
but you can have both Diffusal and Radiance at the same time :D

nah i guess you guys are right .. just pushing the radiance idea and yah naga has song PL doesn't

i wonder when PL will become viable in the meta again
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 02 2014 13:25 GMT
#126829
If you look at things that build radiance and it’s a good idea, it’s is a fish lady that has a song that allows her to leave combat and a bear with a millions HP. PL is squirrelly for sure and hard to take down with one hero, but he still gets rocked by dust.

Also, side note, a friend was totally in love with the idea that the main plan with Lone Druid was to summons a bear and light it on fire to allow it to burn people. Not since Red Alert 3 has there been such good use of bears in combat.
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
September 02 2014 13:30 GMT
#126830
On September 02 2014 22:19 goody153 wrote:
but you can have both Diffusal and Radiance at the same time :D

nah i guess you guys are right .. just pushing the radiance idea and yah naga has song PL doesn't

i wonder when PL will become viable in the meta again


I don't think he is out of anything. He has his own merits and weaknesses. Just need a drafter to make it work.
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lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
September 02 2014 13:33 GMT
#126831
Another thing is that you passively burn creeps while your illusions have low attack speed until next item or two so they have limited chance to hit things which results into lower number of juxtapose procs.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44303 Posts
September 02 2014 13:36 GMT
#126832
Ah just a note when i meant getting a radiance getting it like 5 or 6th item.

On September 02 2014 22:30 Laserist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 22:19 goody153 wrote:
but you can have both Diffusal and Radiance at the same time :D

nah i guess you guys are right .. just pushing the radiance idea and yah naga has song PL doesn't

i wonder when PL will become viable in the meta again


I don't think he is out of anything. He has his own merits and weaknesses. Just need a drafter to make it work.


Alliance almost made it work the last time vs IG couple of months ago.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
September 02 2014 13:38 GMT
#126833
On September 02 2014 22:19 goody153 wrote:
but you can have both Diffusal and Radiance at the same time :D

nah i guess you guys are right .. just pushing the radiance idea and yah naga has song PL doesn't

i wonder when PL will become viable in the meta again

typical pl build for me at least is boots, diff, manta, heart, bfly
for ur last slot ud want ac or mkb wouldnt u?
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-02 13:39:43
September 02 2014 13:39 GMT
#126834
On September 02 2014 22:33 lprk wrote:
Another thing is that you passively burn creeps while your illusions have low attack speed until next item or two so they have limited chance to hit things which results into lower number of juxtapose procs.


Well he has absurd agility gain, as long as you get levels in timely manner, that is the least of his problems.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44303 Posts
September 02 2014 13:40 GMT
#126835
On September 02 2014 22:38 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 22:19 goody153 wrote:
but you can have both Diffusal and Radiance at the same time :D

nah i guess you guys are right .. just pushing the radiance idea and yah naga has song PL doesn't

i wonder when PL will become viable in the meta again

typical pl build for me at least is boots, diff, manta, heart, bfly
for ur last slot ud want ac or mkb wouldnt u?


Uhm i usually get another heart xD just to plainly annoy the enemy and sometimes enemies in pubs aren't exactly bright and knows how to hunt rats.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
September 02 2014 13:43 GMT
#126836
On September 02 2014 22:30 Laserist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 22:19 goody153 wrote:
but you can have both Diffusal and Radiance at the same time :D

nah i guess you guys are right .. just pushing the radiance idea and yah naga has song PL doesn't

i wonder when PL will become viable in the meta again


I don't think he is out of anything. He has his own merits and weaknesses. Just need a drafter to make it work.


They never draft him in progames tho. His biggest weakness seems when he doesnt have illusions up yet. Maybe if they would change the %illusionproc or the number of illusions that are formed based on how many illusions you allready have, would help him out alot and make him less of a gamble.
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clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
September 02 2014 13:44 GMT
#126837
On September 02 2014 22:36 goody153 wrote:
Ah just a note when i meant getting a radiance getting it like 5 or 6th item.

That would be so unbelievably terrible dude.

The burn gets weaker the longer the game goes because it doesn't scale with anything and your opponents get stronger. It's not a good dmg source in lategame teamfights, cores won't even notice it.

You could just get items that make your existing items better, by making your illusions hit harder, faster, make them live longer, make them crit or make them hit on targets that evade stuff.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
September 02 2014 13:45 GMT
#126838
i guess radiance's 1 merit would be that it cancels blinks
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
September 02 2014 13:53 GMT
#126839
On September 02 2014 22:45 Targe wrote:
i guess radiance's 1 merit would be that it cancels blinks


I don't think PL with a radiance can cancel blinks that stay 1.5 screen away.
It is good for chasing but I don't consider radi as a chasing item.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44303 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-02 13:57:39
September 02 2014 13:57 GMT
#126840
Screw you guys i am getting PL radiance like i get skadi on all other heroes because the attack looks cool !! :D
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