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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 02 2014 14:01 GMT
#126841
PL can't generate a bunch illusions at will that last long enough to find a hero like tide hunter and cancel his blink. He can generate one with doppelwalk and maybe manta, but the doppelwalk and manta illusion only last for 20 second, as opposed to Naga's 30.

Its just the difference between the two heroes. Naga's illusions are more useful, but she can't generate a metric ton of them like PL.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-02 14:08:59
September 02 2014 14:05 GMT
#126842
On September 02 2014 22:38 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 22:19 goody153 wrote:
but you can have both Diffusal and Radiance at the same time :D

nah i guess you guys are right .. just pushing the radiance idea and yah naga has song PL doesn't

i wonder when PL will become viable in the meta again

typical pl build for me at least is boots, diff, manta, heart, bfly
for ur last slot ud want ac or mkb wouldnt u?

AC is garbage, as the illusions get none of the armor, attack speed (uh, maybe they get 20 AS? I forgot the exact mechanic).
PL lategame is bots, diffusal (You can sell diffusal for crit in some situations), manta, heart, bfly, and then whatever best will win you the game. Choose between Skadi (if you sold your diffusal and want more EHP), Abyssal (if you need to lock down a carry to win a game), BKB (need it to teamfight to win), MKB (dodge / blind), Sheep (lockdown - good way to win a game by killing a split pusher via dopple), or a couple other items. Oh, as mentioned earlier daedalus is good / pretty standard.

Everything is situational in dota though.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
September 02 2014 14:08 GMT
#126843
Daedalus is decent as well.
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
September 02 2014 14:09 GMT
#126844
Radiance as a 5th/6th item on pl and the dude says it's the most effective damage on him. Come on, get it together...
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 02 2014 14:10 GMT
#126845
On September 02 2014 23:09 cecek wrote:
Radiance as a 5th/6th item on pl and the dude says it's the most effective damage on him. Come on, get it together...

I guess there are some situations I could see a later radiance being okay, but most of those involve already killed 1/2 raxes. I'd probably prefer something else anyways.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44272 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-02 14:12:11
September 02 2014 14:11 GMT
#126846
Has anyone tried BoTs + manta + mass skadi on PL ? is it effective ?

BoT + manta + radiance + 3 skadi

tried it just for fun .. it was okish but i feel like heart + BF works better
this is a quote
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
September 02 2014 14:13 GMT
#126847
On September 02 2014 23:05 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 22:38 Targe wrote:
On September 02 2014 22:19 goody153 wrote:
but you can have both Diffusal and Radiance at the same time :D

nah i guess you guys are right .. just pushing the radiance idea and yah naga has song PL doesn't

i wonder when PL will become viable in the meta again

typical pl build for me at least is boots, diff, manta, heart, bfly
for ur last slot ud want ac or mkb wouldnt u?

AC is garbage, as the illusions get none of the armor, attack speed (uh, maybe they get 20 AS? I forgot the exact mechanic).
PL lategame is bots, diffusal (You can sell diffusal for crit in some situations), manta, heart, bfly, and then whatever best will win you the game. Choose between Skadi (if you sold your diffusal and want more EHP), Abyssal (if you need to lock down a carry to win a game), BKB (need it to teamfight to win), MKB (dodge / blind), Sheep (lockdown - good way to win a game by killing a split pusher via dopple), or a couple other items. Oh, as mentioned earlier daedalus is good / pretty standard.

Everything is situational in dota though.

the whole point was that the last slot was entirely situational
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 02 2014 14:13 GMT
#126848
On September 02 2014 23:11 goody153 wrote:
Has anyone tried BoTs + manta + mass skadi on PL ? is it effective ?

BoT + manta + radiance + 3 skadi

tried it just for fun .. it was okish but i feel like heart + BF works better

I've lost to it before.

it's bad.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-02 14:14:50
September 02 2014 14:14 GMT
#126849
On September 02 2014 23:13 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 23:05 Comeh wrote:
On September 02 2014 22:38 Targe wrote:
On September 02 2014 22:19 goody153 wrote:
but you can have both Diffusal and Radiance at the same time :D

nah i guess you guys are right .. just pushing the radiance idea and yah naga has song PL doesn't

i wonder when PL will become viable in the meta again

typical pl build for me at least is boots, diff, manta, heart, bfly
for ur last slot ud want ac or mkb wouldnt u?

AC is garbage, as the illusions get none of the armor, attack speed (uh, maybe they get 20 AS? I forgot the exact mechanic).
PL lategame is bots, diffusal (You can sell diffusal for crit in some situations), manta, heart, bfly, and then whatever best will win you the game. Choose between Skadi (if you sold your diffusal and want more EHP), Abyssal (if you need to lock down a carry to win a game), BKB (need it to teamfight to win), MKB (dodge / blind), Sheep (lockdown - good way to win a game by killing a split pusher via dopple), or a couple other items. Oh, as mentioned earlier daedalus is good / pretty standard.

Everything is situational in dota though.

the whole point was that the last slot was entirely situational

oh double post fuckfuckfukc: Yeah, just wanted to say AC is pretty garbage on him. Only time I would get one is against a ET. Hell, I might even prefer shivas.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
September 02 2014 14:15 GMT
#126850
On September 02 2014 23:14 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2014 23:13 Targe wrote:
On September 02 2014 23:05 Comeh wrote:
On September 02 2014 22:38 Targe wrote:
On September 02 2014 22:19 goody153 wrote:
but you can have both Diffusal and Radiance at the same time :D

nah i guess you guys are right .. just pushing the radiance idea and yah naga has song PL doesn't

i wonder when PL will become viable in the meta again

typical pl build for me at least is boots, diff, manta, heart, bfly
for ur last slot ud want ac or mkb wouldnt u?

AC is garbage, as the illusions get none of the armor, attack speed (uh, maybe they get 20 AS? I forgot the exact mechanic).
PL lategame is bots, diffusal (You can sell diffusal for crit in some situations), manta, heart, bfly, and then whatever best will win you the game. Choose between Skadi (if you sold your diffusal and want more EHP), Abyssal (if you need to lock down a carry to win a game), BKB (need it to teamfight to win), MKB (dodge / blind), Sheep (lockdown - good way to win a game by killing a split pusher via dopple), or a couple other items. Oh, as mentioned earlier daedalus is good / pretty standard.

Everything is situational in dota though.

the whole point was that the last slot was entirely situational

Yeah, just wanted to say AC is pretty garbage on him. Only time I would get one is against a ET. Hell, I might even prefer shivas.

i was gonna suggest shivas but i refrain from saying many things cos i get flamed
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-02 14:15:34
September 02 2014 14:15 GMT
#126851
I think diffusal is better because it speeds up your farm at a more reasonable rate, while skadi is really slot inefficient while you are building it. Plus the purge is nice and has a good range, skadi requires you to be up in their grill.
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SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13076 Posts
September 02 2014 14:17 GMT
#126852
Radiance on PL is super trash. You need your ilusions to hit stuff and multiply and radiance just kills creeps so fast and you are left with no ilusions.

Diffusal is so much better for damage vs heroes instead of radiance so its just a wasted money and slot.

My late game build on PL: BoT+ Manta+ Diffusal+ Heart + Bfly and last slot can be Skadi,Abysal,Mkb or some other situational item.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
September 02 2014 14:21 GMT
#126853
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
September 02 2014 14:25 GMT
#126854
last PL item allways sheep
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 02 2014 14:28 GMT
#126855
The last item on PL: Always situational because games be fucked when they go that long.
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clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
September 02 2014 14:28 GMT
#126856
On September 02 2014 23:15 Plansix wrote:
I think diffusal is better because it speeds up your farm at a more reasonable rate, while skadi is really slot inefficient while you are building it. Plus the purge is nice and has a good range, skadi requires you to be up in their grill.

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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 02 2014 14:31 GMT
#126857
On September 02 2014 23:28 Plansix wrote:
The last item on PL: Always situational because games be fucked when they go that long.

I mean depending on how ownage you are, PL can easily attain a sub-40 mins 6slot. Not all 40 min games are fucked.

Not that it isn't still situational.
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wairai
Profile Joined May 2012
Malaysia1000 Posts
September 02 2014 14:35 GMT
#126858
Never forget zhou PL. Double Heart after diffusal lvl 2 XD
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ben_ballad
Profile Joined September 2014
United States11 Posts
September 02 2014 15:04 GMT
#126859
Can I mention that Pl was never picked at Ti4...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 02 2014 15:05 GMT
#126860
On September 03 2014 00:04 ben_ballad wrote:
Can I mention that Pl was never picked at Ti4...

Sure? Also, water is wet and making out is fun. Got anything else we need to clear up here in general discussion?
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