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On August 31 2014 12:41 .mercy wrote:
I dont understand when people pick heroes like CM and BH because they don't believe 4k has a meta... Even though the other team just deathballed and ended in 20 minutes Like I said they would.. Some games are simply unwinnable
Your tinker icon speaks for itself. Those games are indeed unwinnable if you flame your mates for their pick, you sound like the guy I mute before the horn.
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On August 31 2014 06:35 BluemoonSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 05:31 idonthinksobro wrote:
there is a joke waiting to be made about brazil
to be honest, i also think it is weird that he has 3k rating, he seems much worse. in my experience there are two types of DOTA players at that level the first kind of DOTA player is the player that knows a lot about the game, having played so long, but isn't mechanically sound. they know the items and the hero builds, but their mechanics aren't so great. maybe they make some bad decisions along the way. or bad decisions are made as a result of their bad mechanics (e.g. mis click) the second kind of DOTA player is a player that has general game ability, mechanically speaking. they know how the game should work and are mechanically sound, but lack the knowledge about the game (items, builds, interactions, etc). this is TB. he's a good gamer, he just lacks the knowledge of DOTA.
nahh, i'm just bad all around, i'm super agressive and I like to play like Bamboe + Demon + Russian doto
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On August 31 2014 17:50 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 12:41 .mercy wrote:
I dont understand when people pick heroes like CM and BH because they don't believe 4k has a meta... Even though the other team just deathballed and ended in 20 minutes Like I said they would.. Some games are simply unwinnable Your tinker icon speaks for itself. Those games are indeed unwinnable if you flame your mates for their pick, you sound like the guy I mute before the horn.
Pretty much this, people who bitch about everything from minute 0 are the real reason most pubteams fall apart.
It doesn't really matter how shitty you think your team lineup is, if you're just going to whine and cry about it you might as well abandon and save everyone some time. Otherwise shut up and play.
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On August 31 2014 17:50 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 12:41 .mercy wrote:
I dont understand when people pick heroes like CM and BH because they don't believe 4k has a meta... Even though the other team just deathballed and ended in 20 minutes Like I said they would.. Some games are simply unwinnable Your tinker icon speaks for itself. Those games are indeed unwinnable if you flame your mates for their pick, you sound like the guy I mute before the horn.
What? So because I play a certain hero it makes me a flamer? Nice assumptions. Matter of fact is 5th pick CM against a Deathball and 4th pick BH are just not good. btw i rarely even use chat... i prefer chat wheel. I just try to say after the game that BH and Cm is not good pick... When we needed a carry u cant 5th pick CM
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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
Man all these big update announcements always happen when I'm travelling, and I don't want to use my precious limited data allowance to read up on them
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On August 31 2014 18:57 pedrlz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 06:35 BluemoonSC wrote:On August 31 2014 05:31 idonthinksobro wrote:
there is a joke waiting to be made about brazil
to be honest, i also think it is weird that he has 3k rating, he seems much worse. in my experience there are two types of DOTA players at that level the first kind of DOTA player is the player that knows a lot about the game, having played so long, but isn't mechanically sound. they know the items and the hero builds, but their mechanics aren't so great. maybe they make some bad decisions along the way. or bad decisions are made as a result of their bad mechanics (e.g. mis click) the second kind of DOTA player is a player that has general game ability, mechanically speaking. they know how the game should work and are mechanically sound, but lack the knowledge about the game (items, builds, interactions, etc). this is TB. he's a good gamer, he just lacks the knowledge of DOTA. nahh, i'm just bad all around, i'm super agressive and I like to play like Bamboe + Demon + Russian doto
we are the exact opposite .. i am the type of player who afkfarms all game leading to some teammates saying "our 'me' does nothing but farm all day just play a pve game cyka"
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On August 31 2014 12:41 .mercy wrote:
I dont understand when people pick heroes like CM and BH because they don't believe 4k has a meta... Even though the other team just deathballed and ended in 20 minutes Like I said they would.. Some games are simply unwinnable
A pick that doesn't fit your line up and a pick that doesn't fit the "meta" are two very different things. As long as your team composition makes sense, at 4k it doesn't matter how "meta" your picks are, it's all about who makes less idiotic decisions (and both teams will make retarded decisions most of the time). Btw CM is still my highest winrate hero with almost 80% winrate, and I couldn't care less if she's not getting picked on streams.
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For all the weaknesses of winrate as a stat, I don't think you can say a hero with a >50% WR is unpickable. CM is at 52% and will probably stay there as long as her passive exists.
I would say heroes like BH are a bit questionable as instalocks based on the meta. It's just so easy for the other guys to end up with a facerush lineup by accident in this patch.
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Even then bounty still has his place as long as you get levels. 1 won fight with a level 11 bounty on your team and 3 tracks and suddenly your team has enough gold for the next 2 fights. There are very few comeback mechanics like track.
He may not stop a push, but if you have other heroes that can then he can be a great pick.
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SoCal8910 Posts
but that's the point..this guy is complaining bc of certain picks, meanwhile in many pubs, as long as the picks have some sort of synergy with your teammates, its not necessarily bad.
personally, i have great success with CM, but i only pick her when i see a hero that would combo well in lane or i see some heroes that enjoy a little extra mana (especially junglers). her early-mid game before bkb is great. if you can get your heroes to snowball before the other team has the chance to pick up bkb's, get a blink dagger, and you're golden. and if they're not able to, buy some smoke and go ganking.
as a non-maiden player, you should be aware of her strengths and weaknesses as a hero and play to them as well.
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On August 31 2014 20:16 .mercy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 17:50 nojok wrote:On August 31 2014 12:41 .mercy wrote:
I dont understand when people pick heroes like CM and BH because they don't believe 4k has a meta... Even though the other team just deathballed and ended in 20 minutes Like I said they would.. Some games are simply unwinnable Your tinker icon speaks for itself. Those games are indeed unwinnable if you flame your mates for their pick, you sound like the guy I mute before the horn. What? So because I play a certain hero it makes me a flamer? Nice assumptions. Matter of fact is 5th pick CM against a Deathball and 4th pick BH are just not good. btw i rarely even use chat... i prefer chat wheel. I just try to say after the game that BH and Cm is not good pick... When we needed a carry u cant 5th pick CM
FOTM pickers are way more likely to be annoying mates. Besides saying heroes are not good in the "meta" is really dumb for pubs and it's very different from not fitting with the previous picks. Execution is still what matters the most at 4K, and by a big margin.
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On August 31 2014 20:16 .mercy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 17:50 nojok wrote:On August 31 2014 12:41 .mercy wrote:
I dont understand when people pick heroes like CM and BH because they don't believe 4k has a meta... Even though the other team just deathballed and ended in 20 minutes Like I said they would.. Some games are simply unwinnable Your tinker icon speaks for itself. Those games are indeed unwinnable if you flame your mates for their pick, you sound like the guy I mute before the horn. What? So because I play a certain hero it makes me a flamer? Nice assumptions. Matter of fact is 5th pick CM against a Deathball and 4th pick BH are just not good. btw i rarely even use chat... i prefer chat wheel. I just try to say after the game that BH and Cm is not good pick... When we needed a carry u cant 5th pick CM
You sound like one those guys that picks OP Tinker every game and is sad when he can't get rampages with his OP hero because teammates picked subpar hero
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On August 31 2014 21:46 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 20:16 .mercy wrote:On August 31 2014 17:50 nojok wrote:On August 31 2014 12:41 .mercy wrote:
I dont understand when people pick heroes like CM and BH because they don't believe 4k has a meta... Even though the other team just deathballed and ended in 20 minutes Like I said they would.. Some games are simply unwinnable Your tinker icon speaks for itself. Those games are indeed unwinnable if you flame your mates for their pick, you sound like the guy I mute before the horn. What? So because I play a certain hero it makes me a flamer? Nice assumptions. Matter of fact is 5th pick CM against a Deathball and 4th pick BH are just not good. btw i rarely even use chat... i prefer chat wheel. I just try to say after the game that BH and Cm is not good pick... When we needed a carry u cant 5th pick CM FOTM pickers are way more likely to be annoying mates. Besides saying heroes are not good in the "meta" is really dumb for pubs and it's very different from not fitting with the previous picks. Execution is still what matters the most at 4K, and by a big margin.
This is honestly why I even now don't pick Terrorblade as much as I really want to. I love the hero, but there's still a lot of ill-will towards him because of the overpowered period. I don't want to be that guy.
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On August 31 2014 22:20 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 21:46 nojok wrote:On August 31 2014 20:16 .mercy wrote:On August 31 2014 17:50 nojok wrote:On August 31 2014 12:41 .mercy wrote:
I dont understand when people pick heroes like CM and BH because they don't believe 4k has a meta... Even though the other team just deathballed and ended in 20 minutes Like I said they would.. Some games are simply unwinnable Your tinker icon speaks for itself. Those games are indeed unwinnable if you flame your mates for their pick, you sound like the guy I mute before the horn. What? So because I play a certain hero it makes me a flamer? Nice assumptions. Matter of fact is 5th pick CM against a Deathball and 4th pick BH are just not good. btw i rarely even use chat... i prefer chat wheel. I just try to say after the game that BH and Cm is not good pick... When we needed a carry u cant 5th pick CM FOTM pickers are way more likely to be annoying mates. Besides saying heroes are not good in the "meta" is really dumb for pubs and it's very different from not fitting with the previous picks. Execution is still what matters the most at 4K, and by a big margin. This is honestly why I even now don't pick Terrorblade as much as I really want to. I love the hero, but there's still a lot of ill-will towards him because of the overpowered period. I don't want to be that guy.
I used to think the same thing with ember. Then I just said fuck it and started playing it because I felt like it. Still really damn strong and lots of fun
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It's also because I'm nervous about picking carries in solo games because I don't know if we're going to have more of the players who "don't know" how to support. Gonna do it more in friend stacks, though.
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BH is still fine but i think it's only viable as support now. Wreck so much havoc with lvl 1 roam + OOV, then proceed to give team shit tons of vision with track and deep wards for split pushing or favorable initiations.
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United States47024 Posts
He's fine as offlane at most levels because the majority of people playing pubs don't know how to play safelanes properly so you end up getting way more XP/gold out of it than you should as that hero, which results in you getting level 6 and basic items up way earlier than you should, allowing you to start the Track gold snowball early.
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He's fine, but the big issue is that there just aren't enough targets in most games. People are definitely FotMing Viper, Razor, Doom, and Void, and he's pretty bad at picking them all off. Push is the other big flavor right now, and that kind of 5man strategy also hurts him.
I'd just be careful about where you pick him, more on a basis of "who can I reasonably farm as an alternative to lane" than anything else.
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I like playing with people that insta picks a hero like Tinker then expects his team to work around him 24/7. It's fun, kinda like Void is right now too. Then complain after if he loses.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
On August 31 2014 20:16 .mercy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2014 17:50 nojok wrote:On August 31 2014 12:41 .mercy wrote:
I dont understand when people pick heroes like CM and BH because they don't believe 4k has a meta... Even though the other team just deathballed and ended in 20 minutes Like I said they would.. Some games are simply unwinnable Your tinker icon speaks for itself. Those games are indeed unwinnable if you flame your mates for their pick, you sound like the guy I mute before the horn. What? So because I play a certain hero it makes me a flamer? Nice assumptions. Matter of fact is 5th pick CM against a Deathball and 4th pick BH are just not good. btw i rarely even use chat... i prefer chat wheel. I just try to say after the game that BH and Cm is not good pick... When we needed a carry u cant 5th pick CM
there is no meta that should make a difference bro
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