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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
August 30 2014 18:32 GMT
#126421
On August 31 2014 03:27 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 02:13 tehh4ck3r wrote:
+ "DOTA_Tooltip_ability_slark_shadow_dance_Note2" "Faceless Void's Chronosphere will reveal Slark from Shadow Dance."


Intended change confirmed

Doesn't that already work? I'm pretty sure if you chrono a slark under ult, he gets revealed.

What's more weird that one of the new tooltips is saying that you can sell bkb and buy a new one to refresh the charges. I wonder if it's a mistake and they made to type "drop" instead of "sell" or if it's really getting changed. I think it's just a mistake, I don't really think IceFrog is buffing bkb. Maybe if the item as a whole gets reworked more, but that doesn't seem like either.


if anything, it will be sold for a very small amount of gold (or maybe none, just so it doesnt have to be on ground/in inventory) and then people can rebuy it. i think its more likely that icefrog is making it so the item won't be laying around, accidentally picked up, etc.

the tooltip might be just to let people know that you don't have to keep the bkb even though its (currently) unsellable. they can buy a new one if necessary.
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 30 2014 18:33 GMT
#126422
On August 31 2014 03:30 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 03:27 cecek wrote:
Doesn't that already work? I'm pretty sure if you chrono a slark under ult, he gets revealed.

It doesn't work that way in DotA 1. Hence why he said "intended change".

Explicitly putting it in the tooltip implies its the intended behavior and not a bug--which it was to this point.

Ooh, I didn't even think of WC3 DotA. I think it's safe to assume that at this point the Dota 2 behaviour is the intended one. IceFrog even changed the blink dagger rearm interaction into WC3 DotA to work the same way, I think that kind of sets a precedent.
super gg
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12166 Posts
August 30 2014 18:34 GMT
#126423
On August 31 2014 03:04 tsiisus wrote:
That article on nytimes was actually good which surprised me, usually gaming articles on such sites are quite derogatory. Also that kennigit quote at the end is perfect.


The article was pretty good. Stating how things are, what the hopes are while also stating some of the issues faced.

One of the biggest issues which are never discussed are the massive costs for a person trying to break in. A computer (and internet connection) is something a majority of the world population can't afford. Which is why sports such as Soccer succeed so much better than most other major sports, you can make all the tools needed to play by yourself (though your ball won't be up to FIFA standard :p).
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 30 2014 18:37 GMT
#126424
On August 31 2014 03:33 cecek wrote:
Ooh, I didn't even think of WC3 DotA. I think it's safe to assume that at this point the Dota 2 behaviour is the intended one. IceFrog even changed the blink dagger rearm interaction into WC3 DotA to work the same way, I think that kind of sets a precedent.

That hardly sets a precedent.

It's still in line with the precedent that unless Icefrog specifically changes DotA 1 or says it's intended, DotA 1 is the intended behavior.

And like I said, literally the only reason it's this way is because a tester forgot to add this to a list of skills that got fixed while it was on test client. Chrono being the lone exception is not deliberate and horribly inconsistent with every other true sight skill for no reason.
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 30 2014 18:41 GMT
#126425
oh god feederbolt is playing with the team liquid team in the staff cup


we lost boys.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 30 2014 18:42 GMT
#126426
On August 31 2014 03:34 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 03:04 tsiisus wrote:
That article on nytimes was actually good which surprised me, usually gaming articles on such sites are quite derogatory. Also that kennigit quote at the end is perfect.


The article was pretty good. Stating how things are, what the hopes are while also stating some of the issues faced.

One of the biggest issues which are never discussed are the massive costs for a person trying to break in. A computer (and internet connection) is something a majority of the world population can't afford. Which is why sports such as Soccer succeed so much better than most other major sports, you can make all the tools needed to play by yourself (though your ball won't be up to FIFA standard :p).

And basketball succeeding in poor urban areas (where cities will build courts anyway), and football succeeding in the South (where there's plenty of space for big fields)...
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
August 30 2014 18:49 GMT
#126427
i don't think that a tooltip confirms anything really, it is more a description of the current situation. They even asked the community to make some tooltips.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-30 18:55:39
August 30 2014 18:53 GMT
#126428
On August 31 2014 03:37 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2014 03:33 cecek wrote:
Ooh, I didn't even think of WC3 DotA. I think it's safe to assume that at this point the Dota 2 behaviour is the intended one. IceFrog even changed the blink dagger rearm interaction into WC3 DotA to work the same way, I think that kind of sets a precedent.

That hardly sets a precedent.

It's still in line with the precedent that unless Icefrog specifically changes DotA 1 or says it's intended, DotA 1 is the intended behavior.

And like I said, literally the only reason it's this way is because a tester forgot to add this to a list of skills that got fixed while it was on test client. Chrono being the lone exception is not deliberate and horribly inconsistent with every other true sight skill for no reason.

But... IceFrog did specifically change DotA 1 to make it work the same way it works in Dota 2.

There's a whole section of the 6.81b changelog called "PARITY" that includes the blink change.+ Show Spoiler +
PARITY

- Spiderlings Poison Sting damage no longer stacks
- Tornado's aoe increased from 175 to 200
- Rupture no longer deals damage to Invulnerable units
- Ice Blast no longer gets dispelled
- Tinker rearm refreshes Blink Dagger state
- Lone Druid in True Form attack range same as default melee (150->128)
- Empower Cleave aoe from 250 to 200
- Battle Hunger gets dispelled when target is Magic Immune

source
That's also not the first time it happened. When kotl was ported over, illuminate's range was like 300 longer than it should've been and never got fixed, it just got ported over to Dota 2. And yeah, it was just because a tester screwed up, but I'm sure a good number of features we have in dota are there because of accidents like this. Also, the shadowdance/chrono interaction was not fixed in the giant bugfixing patch that came out a couple months ago. Sure it didn't fix all the bugs, but the slark/void thing was very well known, I'm sure they would've fixed it back then if they wanted to.

edit: why did it block playdota.com link?? http://www.playdota.com/changelogs/6.81b testing

edit2: well, that's weird.
super gg
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
August 30 2014 18:58 GMT
#126429
Because LD is fearful of superior DOTA website, and needs to censor it with the Great Ice Wall.

probably a bug or something
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-30 19:02:51
August 30 2014 19:00 GMT
#126430
test:

http://www.ongamers.com/
http://www.joindota.com/en/start#
http://www.playdota.com/


/e hm, playdota is obviously blocked but i wonder why.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12166 Posts
August 30 2014 19:05 GMT
#126431
You know trolling has gone too far when I suspect that is a troll and not legit.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 30 2014 19:09 GMT
#126432
playdota blocked? That seems odd...
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
August 30 2014 19:12 GMT
#126433
i'm summoning heyoka to tell us why playdota is blocked.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 30 2014 19:15 GMT
#126434
If you quote the post with the blocked URL, you can even see the blocked link in the message editor. That's super weird, lol.

Also, the latest cyborgmatt patch analysis was posted on gamespot. RIP ongamers? It was posted there as well, but it seems like they're maybe moving the content over.
super gg
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
August 30 2014 19:32 GMT
#126435
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/technology/esports-explosion-brings-opportunity-riches-for-video-gamers.html

Front page of NYT.
Stuck.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
August 30 2014 19:33 GMT
#126436
We're in finals, boys.
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
August 30 2014 19:46 GMT
#126437
stream link pls
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
August 30 2014 19:47 GMT
#126438
On August 31 2014 04:33 Firebolt145 wrote:
We're in finals, boys.

of course you dont know readmore. why would you read a german website? lol
FTD
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28103 Posts
August 30 2014 19:53 GMT
#126439
On August 31 2014 04:46 kollin wrote:
stream link pls

http://www.twitch.tv/grandgrant

http://www.twitch.tv/firebolt145

http://www.liquiddota.com/stream/SirActionSlacks
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 30 2014 20:07 GMT
#126440
Finally, a MOBA with more battles, less bull. Play Strife today!
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