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On April 02 2012 12:59 Nilrem wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 12:49 DoomBox wrote:
Just won a 79 minute long game, it was freaking dumb...
No team could win a teamfight decisively. We had Dazzle and Omni on our team, and they had Skeleton King. I was playing Viper and found myself with 5 big items + boots and gold to spare.
They had pushed all our raxes but one, but in the end we finally killed SK and barely throned through mid lane, with our throne at about 20%.
Close game, but it annoys me that we couldn't finish it faster... Bwahahaha... You thought it was annoying, try it from our side  Brood did not join until we were in the level 14 range, and than our razor dc'd as well (and never returned). On top of that, broodmother kept going afk and not participating in the fights. Ended up losing because of a halfhearted push (le sigh)
Yeah, I feel kinda bad for that, and you that did so well with zeus. Shame he isn't suited for an 80 minute game ^^
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Imo, wex/quas is still the more powerful invoker. Heavy exort spells give little utility, and have very few uses late game. As such, exort invoker needs to make an impact early game to make up for his lack of mid-game. However quas is much more effective at winning the lane in most situations, as clod snap is ridiculous and quas means a free RoH (although there are a few situations where 1 level of exort is needed to win your lane). One of your biggest weaknesses is our movement speed (which, by the way, is 2nd equal with CM, only techies being slower), and wex more than makes up for it. If you don't have wex, then you have to be much more careful about positioning, often requiring you to get a blink dagger and force staff to help position your hard to land exort spells (meteor, icewall, and deafening blast), while wex gives you the mobility to land these easily.
Exort has a few niche uses, but it requires too much sacrifice to use generally. Wex covers your weaknesses and makes you more useful in the midgame (up until you hit like level 20 something).
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On April 02 2012 15:56 DoomBox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 12:59 Nilrem wrote:On April 02 2012 12:49 DoomBox wrote:
Just won a 79 minute long game, it was freaking dumb...
No team could win a teamfight decisively. We had Dazzle and Omni on our team, and they had Skeleton King. I was playing Viper and found myself with 5 big items + boots and gold to spare.
They had pushed all our raxes but one, but in the end we finally killed SK and barely throned through mid lane, with our throne at about 20%.
Close game, but it annoys me that we couldn't finish it faster... Bwahahaha... You thought it was annoying, try it from our side Brood did not join until we were in the level 14 range, and than our razor dc'd as well (and never returned). On top of that, broodmother kept going afk and not participating in the fights. Ended up losing because of a halfhearted push (le sigh) Yeah, I feel kinda bad for that, and you that did so well with zeus. Shame he isn't suited for an 80 minute game ^^
No kidding, I put in so much work into Zeus. When first picking, I tried to avoid using him for that very reason. I was worried that if it went on, he would not be as strong. Which is why I went refresher in attempt to make my ult more useful (using the ult twice in a row is quite hilarious).
As for the topic of invoker. I have had him as one of my Sd choices before, but avoided getting him because I know he is more unique than many others. So, does anyone have any advice on a specific tutorial or advice with using him (I do use dotafire but does not always teach, just guide).
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On April 02 2012 14:54 Zlasher wrote:
Wow that'll really suck if Misery leaves EG. Playmate and Misery were prety much the reason the team was doing so well early on when they rejoined Dota2. Maybe they might try to get Bulba to replace? Thoughts?
Sorry I haven't really been watching stuff the past few days, is there a reason you say Misery may be leaving EG?
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Lalalaland34510 Posts
Apparently he said it on his stream.
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that is completely expected tbh... look at demon stream, EG dota squad never practice together. The are split by groups of 2 and differentiate by regional ping. If you watch sing_sing you could see they scrim or party together at least 5 hours a day.
I would not be surprised if somehow mania from fnatic gona join EG maelk soon  ...
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On April 02 2012 06:34 NB wrote:
the main problem with clinkz is that once you are forced into teamfight situation, he has 0 HP and just die to 1-2 non ulti nuke before he could killed anyone.
in the kunkka/clinkz game, kunkka had like 2100 hp and clinkz had 1900 and clinkz on top of that has invis and max ms, tell me how he dies to 1-2 nukes ?
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On April 02 2012 17:28 cilinder007 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 06:34 NB wrote:
the main problem with clinkz is that once you are forced into teamfight situation, he has 0 HP and just die to 1-2 non ulti nuke before he could killed anyone.
in the kunkka/clinkz game, kunkka had like 2100 hp and clinkz had 1900 and clinkz on top of that has invis and max ms, tell me how he dies to 1-2 nukes ?
thats before or after they won the game?
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On April 02 2012 17:11 NB wrote:that is completely expected tbh... look at demon stream, EG dota squad never practice together. The are split by groups of 2 and differentiate by regional ping. If you watch sing_sing you could see they scrim or party together at least 5 hours a day. I would not be surprised if somehow mania from fnatic gona join EG maelk soon ...
I don't think that would change anything then, considering replacing Misery with Mania would still lead to the same timezone issues they have currently.
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On April 02 2012 17:11 NB wrote:that is completely expected tbh... look at demon stream, EG dota squad never practice together. The are split by groups of 2 and differentiate by regional ping. If you watch sing_sing you could see they scrim or party together at least 5 hours a day. I would not be surprised if somehow mania from fnatic gona join EG maelk soon ...
Really? Lately I've been seeing Sing+Bamboe scrim more often on stream with twiSta instead, maybe mouz's scrims aren't streamed.
>mania from fnatic
???
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Do you guys think runes need a nerf? I've seen many games decided by a single rune.
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That's why you must control the runes. I'd say haste and invis are a pretty 100% early gank. And DD late game on a carry can really hurt ( disable, sheep, stun him ASAP )
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The way to improve runes is to make them less random rather than nerf them. Getting a lucky regen or invis or haste when escaping has nothing to do with skill and can be gamebraking. The problem is, how do we make them less random without breaking the middle lane and the bottle.
There was a -experimental runes mode introduced long time ago and recently in 6.73 there was
"Runes will no longer spawn the same rune type 2 times in a row"
So I think Icefrog is aware of the issue but doesn't want to missfix something that isn't really broken(runes weren't really changed for a long time)
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Problem is that there is a fine line between nerfing runes so that they don't seem so gamebreaking (I don't even feel like they are) but preventing them from being an actual reward for map control. Teams will just have to understand the importance of timing and even denying runes from enemies. I've seen various matches in DotA 1 and 2 where a well placed veno ward or chen neutral denies a rune from the enemy.
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Lalalaland34510 Posts
I'm no pro but I like the runes the way they are. Bit of randomness, but also skill involved to control them. Like poker. Or starcraft!
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Edit: Moved question to simple questions simple answers thread
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On April 02 2012 21:05 Alur wrote:This just happened, ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything + Show Spoiler +
Haha, not bad! Only thing missing would be the game ending at 42 seconds past the 42 minute mark ^^
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On April 02 2012 21:58 Garnet wrote:
Do you guys think runes need a nerf? I've seen many games decided by a single rune.
I can guarantee you that this is an exaggeration.
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There was a competitive game which was decided by furion getting 2 dd runes in a row and ganking top lane with this..
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