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qyk05328
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany635 Posts
March 29 2012 21:50 GMT
#6041
On March 30 2012 06:09 English wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 06:01 NB wrote:
On March 30 2012 05:35 Asha` wrote:
On March 30 2012 05:29 NB wrote:
man... im feeling sorry for noobs watching itsgosu stream... so many mislead information.

SUCH GOOD GAME AND NO ONE UNDERSTAND x(


Do feel free to post a few more accurate comments on how things are panning out!

As a noob I think I'm finally pretty sorted on the basics, but I definitely don't grasp most of the subtleties =)

Start out after the fb to lycan which give lycan fb, the intention of dire to camp SK VS at bot land to shut down lycan (2 offensive wards in jungle) was read by CLG and followed up by the genius move sending lycan to jungle by paijkat. Instead of lv1 and die 3 times, he got lv3 almost at the same time as mirana while SK and VS basicly got 0 farm 0 exp into mid game. The kill later on lycan was a small gamble by pajkat: enchan ES lesh was pushing top tower down so CLG was expecting dire supports to move top. What they didnt know however was the lack of money in dire support bc they had none so they could tele top in time. As result, lycan died for a free tower.

Then the game start transition into CLG push-carry focus while AL is gank-carry focus. This is why bleeky had to move away from bot lane, giving away his farming time for some uncertain kills. The luckily squeezed out a few kills on loda but anything less than 4 people swipe isnt enough. Loda free farm top, WR spam power shot against venom ward push mid so she got farm too, lycan alternative jungle/bot feeling good. All and all ES/enchan roaming between top mid did decent (this is why enchan has cheap urn instead of exp mek) while SK VS need to stay on top mid which results the lack of stun in bot lane to kill lycan.

AL understood that they need to get radiant mid tower but the combo between ES/wr + enchan creep basically tank the mid position for CLG which result an ultimate map control advantage for CLG. Remember at this point CLG got 3+ towers while AL got a single tower and 1 got denied. With map control, CLG forced a 3 men push on top and SK+QoP ulti missed which result only 2 death on CLG in trade for roshan.

The last team fight SK ulti targeted ES first which was a genius move but thats a stun that doesnt land on lycan/leshrac -> kill all the thing despite 0 BKB. Notice how the line up of CLG deal MUCH MORE dmg compare to AL if both team has 0 stun.

there were just so much small important detail on the game that the casters failed to point out. Also the dagon 2 on QoP game 3...


You should try casting

Seriously, you should.
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-29 21:51:02
March 29 2012 21:50 GMT
#6042
On March 30 2012 06:42 Asha` wrote:
No pajkatt AM, no win =p

fuck yeah aL, nice to see them manage to actually win a finals after the consecutive JD masters runner ups.


that was a semifinal if Im not completely insane

guess i was completely insane.
sorry.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9055 Posts
March 29 2012 21:52 GMT
#6043
Somehow I knew CLG would choke at the last game. How many silvers have they had?
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-29 22:14:08
March 29 2012 22:02 GMT
#6044
i doubt its choking but more like sever ping problem. 1 team is sweden EU and 1 is australia... The result indicates that they switched sever each game alternatively between US west and US East. The final game prob played on west therefore CLG lost :-/

but yeah AL played well nevertheless.

On March 30 2012 06:50 qyk05328 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 06:09 English wrote:
On March 30 2012 06:01 NB wrote:
On March 30 2012 05:35 Asha` wrote:
On March 30 2012 05:29 NB wrote:
man... im feeling sorry for noobs watching itsgosu stream... so many mislead information.

SUCH GOOD GAME AND NO ONE UNDERSTAND x(


Do feel free to post a few more accurate comments on how things are panning out!

As a noob I think I'm finally pretty sorted on the basics, but I definitely don't grasp most of the subtleties =)

Start out after the fb to lycan which give lycan fb, the intention of dire to camp SK VS at bot land to shut down lycan (2 offensive wards in jungle) was read by CLG and followed up by the genius move sending lycan to jungle by paijkat. Instead of lv1 and die 3 times, he got lv3 almost at the same time as mirana while SK and VS basicly got 0 farm 0 exp into mid game. The kill later on lycan was a small gamble by pajkat: enchan ES lesh was pushing top tower down so CLG was expecting dire supports to move top. What they didnt know however was the lack of money in dire support bc they had none so they could tele top in time. As result, lycan died for a free tower.

Then the game start transition into CLG push-carry focus while AL is gank-carry focus. This is why bleeky had to move away from bot lane, giving away his farming time for some uncertain kills. The luckily squeezed out a few kills on loda but anything less than 4 people swipe isnt enough. Loda free farm top, WR spam power shot against venom ward push mid so she got farm too, lycan alternative jungle/bot feeling good. All and all ES/enchan roaming between top mid did decent (this is why enchan has cheap urn instead of exp mek) while SK VS need to stay on top mid which results the lack of stun in bot lane to kill lycan.

AL understood that they need to get radiant mid tower but the combo between ES/wr + enchan creep basically tank the mid position for CLG which result an ultimate map control advantage for CLG. Remember at this point CLG got 3+ towers while AL got a single tower and 1 got denied. With map control, CLG forced a 3 men push on top and SK+QoP ulti missed which result only 2 death on CLG in trade for roshan.

The last team fight SK ulti targeted ES first which was a genius move but thats a stun that doesnt land on lycan/leshrac -> kill all the thing despite 0 BKB. Notice how the line up of CLG deal MUCH MORE dmg compare to AL if both team has 0 stun.

there were just so much small important detail on the game that the casters failed to point out. Also the dagon 2 on QoP game 3...


You should try casting

Seriously, you should.

sadly i dont think my english is good enough and i have a slight SEA accent but do feel free to watch my stream at http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/NB and ask question (shameless plugna)
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-29 22:17:10
March 29 2012 22:16 GMT
#6045
Arghhhhh super lame. Played a game yesterday where our team's Razor left before creeps even spawned, and the other team fp'd sillybear. Ended up WRECKING SHIT with slardar and winning. After the game was over, I was stuck in some screen that was telling me I was still in the game, and that I was free to reconnect or leave (neither button worked).

Checked my match history today: apparently this game never happened. I'm bummed because I really wanted the replay; I played damn well :/
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
March 29 2012 22:30 GMT
#6046
Al vs CLG Game 5. Godot on enchantress just blew me away. Such amazing play and definitely the MVP of that game imo. Fun series to watch, always great to see badass enchantress play.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
March 29 2012 22:42 GMT
#6047
If you're using alt + Q alt + w, etc.. for item activations what do you hotkeys do you guys use to toggle autocast on/off? or do you just right click?
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
March 29 2012 22:43 GMT
#6048
God this game was fun (ID: 9201306) Me Necro with scepter. 2.2k DMG to Doombringer. OP shit. :D
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
March 29 2012 22:45 GMT
#6049
So creating chokes in the jungle using QB is alot harder in dota 2 what the fuck
High Risk Low Reward
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
March 29 2012 22:50 GMT
#6050
On March 30 2012 07:42 rob.au wrote:
If you're using alt + Q alt + w, etc.. for item activations what do you hotkeys do you guys use to toggle autocast on/off? or do you just right click?

I'm using alt 1-4 for them although I normally just right click.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
March 29 2012 22:53 GMT
#6051
On March 30 2012 07:42 rob.au wrote:
If you're using alt + Q alt + w, etc.. for item activations what do you hotkeys do you guys use to toggle autocast on/off? or do you just right click?

i use mouse4/mouse5/middlemouse as the first 3 toggles
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
whoso
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany523 Posts
March 30 2012 00:56 GMT
#6052
wow just got qeued against dendi. and won : D we had an imba team to be sure.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 30 2012 01:20 GMT
#6053
anyone know how performance work? i am currently 6-6 with chen and its the highest out of all thing @_@... even though i have like 85% wr after 70 games with naix...

[image loading]
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
March 30 2012 01:27 GMT
#6054
On March 30 2012 10:20 NB wrote:
anyone know how performance work? i am currently 6-6 with chen and its the highest out of all thing @_@... even though i have like 85% wr after 70 games with naix...

It's not retroactive as far as I know. When you play new games with those heroes it'll base the performance on that, I think.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 30 2012 01:27 GMT
#6055
I believe that it's partly KDA based, and it only tracks games that you've played since the feature got introduced.
Moderator
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
March 30 2012 01:27 GMT
#6056
yeah it only goes back around 2 weeks or so, back to the SD patch i believe
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 30 2012 01:48 GMT
#6057
yes and I think its relative to the MMR of the opponents?Not sure.
WriterXiao8~~
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
March 30 2012 02:33 GMT
#6058
Yea it's accurate based off of recent games. I know cuz my lycan is through the roof.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
s_side
Profile Joined May 2009
United States700 Posts
March 30 2012 02:45 GMT
#6059
Are coL on a break or something? I haven't seen FLUFF or the rest of those boys in any tournaments for a long time it seems like.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 30 2012 02:50 GMT
#6060
On March 30 2012 11:45 s_side wrote:
Are coL on a break or something? I haven't seen FLUFF or the rest of those boys in any tournaments for a long time it seems like.

they lost 0-2 to itsgosu last night i think... saw them on ladder for a bit but all and all people said they reached their 'limit'.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
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