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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 15 2012 03:43 GMT
#4581
He was also a great limiter back in the days of 4-1, being quite effective against both antimage and spectre, which was a large part of his past popularity
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
March 15 2012 04:01 GMT
#4582
watching It's Gosu vs Navi... Dendi ES midas, nothing wrong here lololol
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 04:26:33
March 15 2012 04:22 GMT
#4583
SD is overrated in many ways, but he is still the best 1v1 mid hero in the game and a good presence in teamfights. The thing is you put him in mid and whatever he does with it may not impact the game very much (depends on lineups, etc.), but at the same time he may. It takes a bit of effort by him to kill the common mid strength heroes straight up at green health he has to pretty much get good stacks. Other weaknesses are his scaling down, pretty much have to rely on your utility items more and more as the game goes longer and longer, since Poison stacks do less and less, Disruption is in reality not a very good disable, and his 2 other spells are single target long CD spells.

Also if not everybody's even skill level he can shut down games simply because getting your best player get pwned can be dooming.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
March 15 2012 04:31 GMT
#4584
Been watching pajkatt lately and he's been playing insane
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
March 15 2012 05:22 GMT
#4585
wtf, i don't even understand how did Navi turn around game 2 (hard to say comeback, but still) so easily as though the early deaths didn't mean shit
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Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
March 15 2012 05:33 GMT
#4586
On March 15 2012 13:01 konadora wrote:
watching It's Gosu vs Navi... Dendi ES midas, nothing wrong here lololol


I missed the game,Q_Q_Q_Q_Q_Q.
Tell me what happened, wtf es midas.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
March 15 2012 05:46 GMT
#4587
On March 15 2012 14:22 konadora wrote:
wtf, i don't even understand how did Navi turn around game 2 (hard to say comeback, but still) so easily as though the early deaths didn't mean shit


Navi had a line up that meant one team fight loss mid game and they get a rax and you don't really come back from a rax against Navi.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
March 15 2012 05:59 GMT
#4588
On March 15 2012 14:33 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 13:01 konadora wrote:
watching It's Gosu vs Navi... Dendi ES midas, nothing wrong here lololol


I missed the game,Q_Q_Q_Q_Q_Q.
Tell me what happened, wtf es midas.

http://www.twitch.tv/itsgosu_dota2/b/311671951

dendi carry es

goes midas first
goes all carry mode with ac crystalys blink midas treads

np
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 07:29:46
March 15 2012 07:28 GMT
#4589
On March 15 2012 14:22 konadora wrote:
wtf, i don't even understand how did Navi turn around game 2 (hard to say comeback, but still) so easily as though the early deaths didn't mean shit


11-1 no problem

Honestly though, its because Gosu spent the early phase grouped up as 5 everywhere and, while they got kills, they were trading a low amount of kills per minute for towers and tower damage.

That and really Gosu's lineup has no big pushing heroes, against a Prophet Tiny mess

On March 15 2012 14:59 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 14:33 Steveling wrote:
On March 15 2012 13:01 konadora wrote:
watching It's Gosu vs Navi... Dendi ES midas, nothing wrong here lololol


I missed the game,Q_Q_Q_Q_Q_Q.
Tell me what happened, wtf es midas.

http://www.twitch.tv/itsgosu_dota2/b/311671951

dendi carry es

goes midas first
goes all carry mode with ac crystalys blink midas treads

np


Was definitely super fun to watch lol, when you combine enchant totem with VS's aura and a crystalis, you gotta get that lucky 1500 hit eventually right? haha. Honestly though, I think he could have used arcane boots, he kept running out of mana to use his Ultra or an extra fissure all the time.
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Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
March 15 2012 07:44 GMT
#4590
So since Shadow Demon is coming out soon, what kind of stuff can his ult dispel? BKB? From what I have heard so far, he is an extremely strong solo mid, continues to be powerful midgame, then drops of late game.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
March 15 2012 07:50 GMT
#4591
On March 15 2012 16:44 Hoban wrote:
So since Shadow Demon is coming out soon, what kind of stuff can his ult dispel? BKB? From what I have heard so far, he is an extremely strong solo mid, continues to be powerful midgame, then drops of late game.


When he first came out, I heard he could dispel bkb, making him this ultimate shadowfiend counter. But he can't, he just slows through bkb.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 15 2012 07:57 GMT
#4592
On March 15 2012 16:44 Hoban wrote:
So since Shadow Demon is coming out soon, what kind of stuff can his ult dispel? BKB? From what I have heard so far, he is an extremely strong solo mid, continues to be powerful midgame, then drops of late game.

almost everything. i've seen it dispel hex
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 09:13:27
March 15 2012 09:11 GMT
#4593
On March 15 2012 16:44 Hoban wrote:
So since Shadow Demon is coming out soon, what kind of stuff can his ult dispel? BKB? From what I have heard so far, he is an extremely strong solo mid, continues to be powerful midgame, then drops of late game.

http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=406048

Also relevant: http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1116975#post1116975
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 09:49:25
March 15 2012 09:49 GMT
#4594
im trying to relearn choke point jungling in dota2.... sadly some of these doesnt work QQ

Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
March 15 2012 11:17 GMT
#4595
oh i remember choke point jungling, used it to solo the higher lvl creeps at lvl 1 on btm spawn by cutting one tree on the right lol :p

why does it not work in dota 2 though?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 15 2012 11:19 GMT
#4596
On March 15 2012 20:17 konadora wrote:
oh i remember choke point jungling, used it to solo the higher lvl creeps at lvl 1 on btm spawn by cutting one tree on the right lol :p

why does it not work in dota 2 though?

Some choke spots work, some don't because of pathing differences/slight tree rearrangements.

There's a somewhat old thread about it on dev.dota2, but it doesn't list all the changed spots--just some of them.

http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=5811
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
March 15 2012 11:26 GMT
#4597
oh yeah, i always wanted to ask this

why do you get feast over other skills, say open wounds or rage?

i generally tend to stick to 1 lvl of feast and then get like 3-4 lvls on OW/Rage depending on hero lineup
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lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
March 15 2012 11:39 GMT
#4598
On March 15 2012 20:26 konadora wrote:
oh yeah, i always wanted to ask this

why do you get feast over other skills, say open wounds or rage?

i generally tend to stick to 1 lvl of feast and then get like 3-4 lvls on OW/Rage depending on hero lineup


The slow is the same at all levels of wounds, only cooldown improves making it not all that useful for ganks to level. Rage is easier to justify, but 1 point rage is enough to dodge a stun, which is often all you need to do eay game. Maxing feast means you jungle far faster, rage might potentially make ganks go quicker due to attack speed, but it's a tradeoff that favours the farm, given how hard naix carries.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
March 15 2012 11:45 GMT
#4599
what if you want to play jungle naix while occasionally helping out with ganks? i felt the reduced slow reduction amount for each lvl put into open wounds helps out quite a lot in ganks
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 15 2012 12:07 GMT
#4600
All you need is the initial slow from Open wounds for jungling, feast just allows you to jungle that much faster.
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