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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
March 14 2012 22:09 GMT
#4561
My god Na'Vi
High Risk Low Reward
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 22:10:09
March 14 2012 22:09 GMT
#4562
Are these guys retarded? Gosu was going around as 5 while navi was pushing other lanes with prophet, didn't get anything done, spent 2 tps twice to go bot (didn't even manage to catch prophet) while Na'vi was constantly farming jungle + lanes. Wasn't mechanics, was teamplay and decision making. Even if you pick up 2 kills if there's some guy free farming a different lane while they're grouped as 5 doing nothing you'll keep up.
ProbeEtPylon
Profile Joined October 2010
168 Posts
March 14 2012 22:11 GMT
#4563
This second Na'Vi vs. It's GoSu game was amazing! How the fuck did Na'Vi managed this turnaround?
beer
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 22:16:42
March 14 2012 22:14 GMT
#4564
I think one of the reasons people are confused at games like game 2 of this series is that Na'Vi is one of the few teams that realize the importance of understanding hero kill mechanics. ' Interesting dota '

It's just my opinion, but I think that Puppey especially and the rest of the team understands that a hero kill is not actually worth all that much early-mid game. Even if you let easy kills get away, sometimes having a safe environment to farm or safely take a tower is actually better for you. Sometimes not finishing a kill forces the wounded hero to walk all the way back to fountain cuz they have no mana or tp mechanic. Especially with the new change where you come back with fullhp/mana this got buffed in a sense.

On top of that, one thing that is often overlooked is that you are not rewarded really for going on a hero killing spree, other than the obvious effects of outnumbering the other team. However, if you go on a hero-killing spree and get downed yourself the person who kills you and their team gets bonus gold for ending your streak. Game 2 between Gosu and Na'Vi, that bottom fight showed that even though furion had to buy back, and sa had to use his aegis....it was enough to just win that teamfight due to hero scores being 13-1. Ending kill streaks, and having more time and opportunity on the map [ especially dire side ] is just underrated, because the other team was on average much higher level meaning longer return time.

This isn't to say that you should always plan to play from behind or whatever....but Na'Vi is really good at balancing the line or at least playing on that border. They can play any style as we already know, but this is the style that I see from a game like game 2.

Edit: Should go without saying but furion owns in this type of strategy environment.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 14 2012 22:19 GMT
#4565
Yeah the caster NORMALLY admits to not knowing a lot about the game (ayesee) but today he was going nuts trying to talk as if he know what he was going on about. Trying to suggest that Korok's morphling is worthy of a first round respect ban, when you are Navi? I'm sorry, Navi doesn't need to respect ban shit when they are up 1-0.
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
March 14 2012 22:22 GMT
#4566
Just patiently waiting on the Chinese.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
March 14 2012 22:22 GMT
#4567
Fun game, except for the commentators imo. No in game sound, bad camera positioning at times, and this might just be me, but the two of them said 'this might seem boring' way too many times. That only hurts them in my eyes, and doesn't do the game any favors. They need to be making it more interesting themselves between team fights, not apologizing. Oh well, maybe I am just spoiled after watching Toby.
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
March 14 2012 22:24 GMT
#4568
shadow demon added on test build :O
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 22:26:54
March 14 2012 22:26 GMT
#4569
I'm pretty disappointed in draskyl. He was a pretty decent player from HoN (not pro level I think) but his insight was pretty bad. Most of his comments was just "I don't know how it happened"
uNiGNoRe
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Germany1115 Posts
March 14 2012 22:28 GMT
#4570
On March 15 2012 07:24 dmnum wrote:
shadow demon added on test build :O

This is even more important imho:
- Updated Dota 2 to 6.74 parity
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 14 2012 22:40 GMT
#4571
On March 15 2012 07:28 uNiGNoRe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 07:24 dmnum wrote:
shadow demon added on test build :O

This is even more important imho:
- Updated Dota 2 to 6.74 parity

not really, only DS and unexplored regions are the huge changes, rest are balance tweaks. invokers still quite strong simply because of his laning
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 14 2012 22:58 GMT
#4572
Shadow Demon coming this week? Can someone give me a rundown of him? I actually kind of quit dota before he came out and have actually never played him, what does he exactly do?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
March 14 2012 22:59 GMT
#4573
On March 15 2012 07:58 Shikyo wrote:
Shadow Demon coming this week? Can someone give me a rundown of him? I actually kind of quit dota before he came out and have actually never played him, what does he exactly do?


http://www.playdota.com/heroes/shadow-demon
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 14 2012 23:00 GMT
#4574
I've read those skills yes o_o
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
March 14 2012 23:01 GMT
#4575
On March 15 2012 07:58 Shikyo wrote:
Shadow Demon coming this week? Can someone give me a rundown of him? I actually kind of quit dota before he came out and have actually never played him, what does he exactly do?


He is the counter to everything...
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 14 2012 23:03 GMT
#4576
I kind of mean like how do you play as him, what are you supposed to look to do. Is he like a semi-carry? What does he seek to do, isolate a target with a QW combo into ulti and spam E afterwards? What kind of comps would you pick him in? Is he solo mid or support or what? :/
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Kentakky
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1272 Posts
March 15 2012 00:01 GMT
#4577
On March 15 2012 08:03 Shikyo wrote:
I kind of mean like how do you play as him, what are you supposed to look to do. Is he like a semi-carry? What does he seek to do, isolate a target with a QW combo into ulti and spam E afterwards? What kind of comps would you pick him in? Is he solo mid or support or what? :/


He is one of the best solo mid hero, and goes nuts in midgame provided you know how to play him. He's very good at isolating and killing off a target yes.

basically what I do in ganks is E, Force staff close, Q, E(works when banished), W, E, R, E and press the extra skill button to do the damage with ur E and most heroes should be dead here or sooner.

Works in many comps I like him with Tide if I had to pick a hero to go along with him.
My immune system is so strong that I have to get AIDS just to be normal.
Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
March 15 2012 00:27 GMT
#4578
On March 15 2012 08:01 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 07:58 Shikyo wrote:
Shadow Demon coming this week? Can someone give me a rundown of him? I actually kind of quit dota before he came out and have actually never played him, what does he exactly do?


He is the counter to everything...


So with the 5th ban being added will we even see him make it into at dota 2 pro match whenever they add him to the tournament client?
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
March 15 2012 01:20 GMT
#4579
On March 15 2012 09:27 Xinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 08:01 Drazerk wrote:
On March 15 2012 07:58 Shikyo wrote:
Shadow Demon coming this week? Can someone give me a rundown of him? I actually kind of quit dota before he came out and have actually never played him, what does he exactly do?


He is the counter to everything...


So with the 5th ban being added will we even see him make it into at dota 2 pro match whenever they add him to the tournament client?


No we will not =). Its ok, they'll run out of good heros to ban one day, and you'll see some fun ones.
In Mushi we trust
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 04:02:20
March 15 2012 03:16 GMT
#4580
On March 15 2012 07:22 flamewheel wrote:
Just patiently waiting on the Chinese.

I think one of the things that stood out after seeing that game is how good the Chinese are at reading the situation and avoiding smoke ganks. Even Na'vi seems to be comparatively poor at that--LightOfHeaven and XBOCT got caught out in smoke ganks that in the context of Chinese games would be overly obvious.

On March 15 2012 09:27 Xinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 08:01 Drazerk wrote:
On March 15 2012 07:58 Shikyo wrote:
Shadow Demon coming this week? Can someone give me a rundown of him? I actually kind of quit dota before he came out and have actually never played him, what does he exactly do?


He is the counter to everything...


So with the 5th ban being added will we even see him make it into at dota 2 pro match whenever they add him to the tournament client?

That's hard to see, depending on how the DotA 2 metagame evolves with more heroes and the 6.74 changes.

Certainly, he's a niche pick currently in DotA 1, and not really worth a ban atm. While he's an oppressive laner, his lack of hard disables hurts him mid-lategame.
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