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Sunburst
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada31 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 17:07:13
August 25 2011 17:07 GMT
#321
On August 26 2011 00:27 cArn- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 20:46 Shikyo wrote:
Did you know that after a Battle Fury and Power Treads, a Magina can clear the entire jungle in 1 minute having every camp respawn and then repeat that process?

The average gold per minute he gets from the jungle creeps when farming in that way is 633.4 if you count in the 70 gold per minute that you get automatically over time


This is irrelevant cause at this point you should be killing shit and joining fights, not keep ricing


take a slight advantage and turn it into an insurmountable one
ovie if your team NEEDS you then yeah otherwise get a 8 minute bfly / heart / manta of your choice
(thats what tps are for)
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 25 2011 18:09 GMT
#322
On August 26 2011 00:27 cArn- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 20:46 Shikyo wrote:
Did you know that after a Battle Fury and Power Treads, a Magina can clear the entire jungle in 1 minute having every camp respawn and then repeat that process?

The average gold per minute he gets from the jungle creeps when farming in that way is 633.4 if you count in the 70 gold per minute that you get automatically over time


This is irrelevant cause at this point you should be killing shit and joining fights, not keep ricing

Well that's just not true.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
cArn-
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)824 Posts
August 25 2011 19:25 GMT
#323
On August 26 2011 02:07 Sunburst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 00:27 cArn- wrote:
On August 24 2011 20:46 Shikyo wrote:
Did you know that after a Battle Fury and Power Treads, a Magina can clear the entire jungle in 1 minute having every camp respawn and then repeat that process?

The average gold per minute he gets from the jungle creeps when farming in that way is 633.4 if you count in the 70 gold per minute that you get automatically over time


This is irrelevant cause at this point you should be killing shit and joining fights, not keep ricing


take a slight advantage and turn it into an insurmountable one
ovie if your team NEEDS you then yeah otherwise get a 8 minute bfly / heart / manta of your choice
(thats what tps are for)


Who's talking about having an advantage ? If it's a balanced game the other carry is gonna have similar farm, the only difference is that AM is stronger than most of carries at this point because of mana burn and his inner survivability, so that's when you start making moves to actually get an advantage.

People who think Magina is that kind of unstoppable carry late game are just completely wrong, he's still gonna be strong, but there are lots of carries way more dangerous than him if past midgame if Magina's team didn't take a huge advantage. All he needs to start being really dangerous is vanguard / PT.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
August 25 2011 19:32 GMT
#324
On August 26 2011 04:25 cArn- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2011 02:07 Sunburst wrote:
On August 26 2011 00:27 cArn- wrote:
On August 24 2011 20:46 Shikyo wrote:
Did you know that after a Battle Fury and Power Treads, a Magina can clear the entire jungle in 1 minute having every camp respawn and then repeat that process?

The average gold per minute he gets from the jungle creeps when farming in that way is 633.4 if you count in the 70 gold per minute that you get automatically over time


This is irrelevant cause at this point you should be killing shit and joining fights, not keep ricing


take a slight advantage and turn it into an insurmountable one
ovie if your team NEEDS you then yeah otherwise get a 8 minute bfly / heart / manta of your choice
(thats what tps are for)


Who's talking about having an advantage ? If it's a balanced game the other carry is gonna have similar farm, the only difference is that AM is stronger than most of carries at this point because of mana burn and his inner survivability, so that's when you start making moves to actually get an advantage.

People who think Magina is that kind of unstoppable carry late game are just completely wrong, he's still gonna be strong, but there are lots of carries way more dangerous than him if past midgame if Magina's team didn't take a huge advantage. All he needs to start being really dangerous is vanguard / PT.


He's not some unstoppable lategame carry, but he farms faster than any other carry with the set item build, Going Vanguard + PT is a completely different style of AM than Bfury+Farm, one relies on outfarming the other team while the other relies on using the high combat potential granted by those items to gain an advantage

that is to say
If u went vanguard/pt into more small items, the its obvious that u need to gank and pressure and gain an advantage midgame because you farm slowly and your items dont scale nearly as well as standard carry items
Conversely, if u have a bfury, your farm ability because insane but your actual combat potential isn't nearly as good as say vanguard + yasha/manta or something, which would lead to a situation where safely farming is preferable to fighting so you can completely outfarm the other team

they're both valid ways to play AM, the fact that they both exist is a very large reason as to why AM is a good hard carry, because u can play him as either that ridiculous rice to victory hero or a strong combat hero midgame
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
August 25 2011 19:59 GMT
#325
Did manta get buffed or something? I remember getting manta early was really dumb when I played since you needed another stat item first or else you just don't do dmg. (e.g. diffusal + manta on agi carries)
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
August 25 2011 20:07 GMT
#326
Manta got buffed on strength heroes, nerfed on range. It's absolutely crucial now on many ranged agi carries.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
August 25 2011 20:35 GMT
#327
On August 26 2011 05:07 5-s wrote:
Manta got buffed on strength heroes, nerfed on range. It's absolutely crucial now on many ranged agi carries.

5-s do you mean... buffed on melee heroes?
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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 20:39:22
August 25 2011 20:38 GMT
#328
Yes buffed
shorter cd for melee
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 26 2011 15:54 GMT
#329
http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/gametrailers-tv/129?ch=4 @ 18:28

Gabe confirmed that only 100,000 beta keys will be given out first wave of beta
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
August 26 2011 17:07 GMT
#330
only 100k?!? That makes me a sad panda. If i get into it somehow i'll be buying a lotto ticket the same day lol.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
August 26 2011 20:16 GMT
#331
That's kind of sad, especially since I know a few people who signed up/opted in, who are mildly interested. I'll probably get one of their keys if they get it though.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 27 2011 01:15 GMT
#332
Just played a game with Spectre, went 0-5 at the start, team scores 3-22, our team had a 0-14-0 lanaya as well. We had a veno and ES so we turtled and dragged the game until 50min, at 50min I almost 1v5d them and then we won despite having a third of their kills. ^_^
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 27 2011 01:37 GMT
#333
Specter is the new Beastmaster. Damn near impossible to win against a good team with that hero. Have an on time VG? You're safe for the next 10 mins unless they 5 man you. Did they 5 man you? Dagger into the forest and TP out. Did your team come to help? Haunt back into the fight. Do they have glass supports? +X assists and kills per team fight.

Yes, I don't like the concept of the hero, in any fucking iteration. No other hero just says flat out I win harder than it does and no other hero has it's stupidly good everything.
Get it by your hands...
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 01:49:25
August 27 2011 01:47 GMT
#334
Dota 2 blog has compiled some of the highlights from the event:

http://blog.dota2.com/2011/08/highlights-of-the-international/
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
August 27 2011 03:41 GMT
#335
On August 27 2011 10:15 Shikyo wrote:
Just played a game with Spectre, went 0-5 at the start, team scores 3-22, our team had a 0-14-0 lanaya as well. We had a veno and ES so we turtled and dragged the game until 50min, at 50min I almost 1v5d them and then we won despite having a third of their kills. ^_^


classic.
itachisan
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada109 Posts
August 27 2011 15:22 GMT
#336
On August 27 2011 12:41 hideo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 10:15 Shikyo wrote:
Just played a game with Spectre, went 0-5 at the start, team scores 3-22, our team had a 0-14-0 lanaya as well. We had a veno and ES so we turtled and dragged the game until 50min, at 50min I almost 1v5d them and then we won despite having a third of their kills. ^_^


classic.


good old Spectre.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42384 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 13:28:47
August 29 2011 13:28 GMT
#337
Interview with Erik Johnson:

"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 29 2011 13:53 GMT
#338
In an effort to increase my overall skills playing hardcarries, I've spent 2 days playing 1v0 games doing nothing but lasthitting without quelling blade. Yes, my training methods are awesome.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Kragx
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark236 Posts
August 29 2011 13:57 GMT
#339
On August 29 2011 22:28 Grettin wrote:
Interview with Erik Johnson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4RIQ_i13s


I feel a bit embarrased to say I were at the event (standby team t_t) and seeing him plenty of times without knowing who he was. I guess it was common among the players to only know the staff people by the name on their shirts. Saw Gabe Newell a few times as well, but atleast I know who he is!
Nice interview, although nothing real new or particular interesting.
Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
August 29 2011 13:58 GMT
#340
On August 29 2011 22:53 Shikyo wrote:
In an effort to increase my overall skills playing hardcarries, I've spent 2 days playing 1v0 games doing nothing but lasthitting without quelling blade. Yes, my training methods are awesome.


I have a question about that actually? Is quelling blade the newbie weapon? I've been playing on dotacash and see lots of ppl in my -ap games getting the thing. I'm guessing since you're 'training' w/o using it then it's a crutch that is not used at high levels of play.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
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